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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 18 Nov 2023, 12:54 |
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Understatement of the year..."a rapid unexpected disassembly". In the old days this was "it blew up".
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 18 Nov 2023, 13:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: Understatement of the year..."a rapid unexpected disassembly". In the old days this was "it blew up". The term R.U.D. has been around for a very long time. It’s always been used as a tongue in cheek reference to something coming apart on its own, or with help. It gained popularity in the 2010s, possibly coming from its use in Kerbal Space Program.
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 18 Nov 2023, 13:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: I suspect the hot staging popped the top of the can causing autogenous pressure loss and then power is gone. I could see that if the inital damage was relatively minor and then progressed. The way that the engines lit and then cascaded off long after the staging was complete and the vehicle was turned around has me wondering if it was something else. Also I didn’t see any substantial venting of fuel or oxidizer that you would get from your scenario. I hope that it’s as simple as “make the lid stronger”.
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 18 Nov 2023, 14:12 |
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Username Protected wrote: The SpaceX geeks have analyzed the footage and consensus is leaning toward one engine taking out surrounding engines until the FTS logic was satisfied, which would be loss of two gimbaling engines That’s strange. I saw nothing to suggest that any engine did something that affected any others. If that indeed happened then they have a major design problem. All of the boost back engines were gimbaling. All but a few were off before the FTS activated.
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 18 Nov 2023, 14:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: Understatement of the year..."a rapid unexpected disassembly". In the old days this was "it blew up". The term R.U.D. has been around for a very long time. It’s always been used as a tongue in cheek reference to something coming apart on its own, or with help. It gained popularity in the 2010s, possibly coming from its use in Kerbal Space Program.
Amongst the propulsion types, it is commonly said that the engine(s) went "hardware rich"
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 18 Nov 2023, 16:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1725879871115833705
Check this John, they had to resync the vid and telemetry but this one supports the prevailing theory That’s just the first half of the engine flame outs. Watch this starting at the 3:09 mark and watch them all flame out. I think the last 6 might have been a commanded shutdown before FTS. https://www.youtube.com/live/s-ZwElJpTT ... jorTL1uWmK
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