Jason Crandall, you need to buy an Eclipse and post some feedback on this cite! Ken, I disagree and still think an open forum is a great service and that Teds post was probably right on the money, as I have heard from other Eclipse owners who shared the same frustration with the Eclipse Jet. Finally, Ted made some positive remarks about the ownership of his aircraft, the post was not all negative.

Well of course there was. One can't write things that are factually incorrect about people and the product they produce without it being nasty.


I don't know what that means, but I'm guessing you're not reaching out, endeavoring to be nice and trying to find out the facts. Somewhere I got the idea that members of BeechTalk like you might be interested in hearing what really took place. If I was mistaken in that belief, then my apologies.

Either way, I've said my piece, and I'll sleep well tonight...which wasn't actually true until I set the record straight.

Ken

“Facts can be so misleading, where rumors, true or false, are often revealing.”

Well of course there was. One can't write things that are factually incorrect about people and the product they produce without it being nasty.


I don't know what that means, but I'm guessing you're not reaching out, endeavoring to be nice and trying to find out the facts. Somewhere I got the idea that members of BeechTalk like you might be interested in hearing what really took place. If I was mistaken in that belief, then my apologies.

Either way, I've said my piece, and I'll sleep well tonight...which wasn't actually true until I set the record straight.

Ken

Pictures or it didn't happen.

Well of course there was. One can't write things that are factually incorrect about people and the product they produce without it being nasty.


I don't know what that means, but I'm guessing you're not reaching out, endeavoring to be nice and trying to find out the facts. Somewhere I got the idea that members of BeechTalk like you might be interested in hearing what really took place. If I was mistaken in that belief, then my apologies.

Either way, I've said my piece, and I'll sleep well tonight...which wasn't actually true until I set the record straight

Ken

Will I get banned from this cite if I explain to Ken what Chirs' comment about the skirt means?

There's a lot of unnecessary snarky comments in this thread. It would be unfortunate for petty mud-slinging to end such an otherwise informative thread, so let's try to reel that in please.

Thanks,

Jeff

Ugh, with this again? I got a 'warning' from the admins of the site. Basically it said that I was not allowed to post the things I did. Apparently there are still posts that remain (although have been edited) which say it is not 'fair' to EAI for me to post contact information of sub component manufacturers, etc. I responded to this PRIVATE email with my opinion of the message board, basically saying that I didn't want to be part of any community which was so 'one-sided.' Did I hold back in my thoughts? Not really. Could I have been more polite? Absolutely. Again, this was in a private email after having my posts deleted and receiving my 'warning.' I was banned shortly after that. I never made a personal attack towards anyone on that board. I responded when someone attacked me by suggesting they hit the ignore button on my name, or exiting the thread. The email from the admins said it was unacceptable for me to talk to a 'Lifetime' member like that.

I don't know how many times I have to explain it, Ken, but apparently one more time won't help. Believe whatever you want as it really doesn't hurt my feelings.

Furthermore, my post here about the Eclipse and my experience was hardly a 'rant.' I felt it was actually 75% positive. I was very honest about everything posted. I said several times that if I could do it all over again, I wouldn't change anything. So, what's your problem?

I should also point out to everyone, that Ken was one of my favorite members of the E5C. His opinion of Eclipse and the jet were more in line with mine than anyone else on there. He was always more open minded than 85% of the other members and we typically got along very well. He was nicer to me than just about anyone else there.

I know we would both defend the jet a lot. I'm done doing that and I believe that is where our differences now lay. (lie? )

Manson has monitors in his offices and bedroom with FlightAware monitors on it showing all live airborne Eclipse Jets.

He knows everything that is posted on the internet about Eclipse. I have had calls from him at 10pm on Sunday night when he didn't like something I said somewhere. I promise you he has personally read this thread and I wouldn't be surprised if I received a letter from their attorney about it ....

So...

Anyone still interested in buying an Eclipse?

Congratulations TR, you created a thread that has over 10,000 hits. Quite an accomplishment if I may say so myself ! I actually find that more impressive then the jet