BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Feb 2014, 20:09

Username Protected wrote:

They were the general contractor. Managing subs is their job. They blew it. It was eclipses fault.

But it was not a scam

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Feb 2014, 20:10

Username Protected wrote:

the garmin g1000 did not exist at the time

Really? G1000 has been in airplanes since 2005…. Maybe 2004.

Garmin has been in airplanes since the early 1990's.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Feb 2014, 20:13

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Eclipse 500 development started early 2000's. The project was too far along with the integrated systems to make a switch once the problems were revealed. Avidyne was the new hot company. Even Cirrus selected them at the time.

Yeah. I agree with that.

But even Cirrus made the switch. Why can't/couldn't Eclipse? If I owned that company….. That would be step 1 to recovery.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Feb 2014, 20:18

Username Protected wrote:

Eclipse 500 development started early 2000's. The project was too far along with the integrated systems to make a switch once the problems were revealed. Avidyne was the new hot company. Even Cirrus selected them at the time.

Yeah. I agree with that.

But even Cirrus made the switch. Why can't/couldn't Eclipse? If I owned that company….. That would be step 1 to recovery.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Feb 2014, 20:19

Username Protected wrote:

Eclipse 500 development started early 2000's. The project was too far along with the integrated systems to make a switch once the problems were revealed. Avidyne was the new hot company. Even Cirrus selected them at the time.

Yeah. I agree with that.

But even Cirrus made the switch. Why can't/couldn't Eclipse? If I owned that company….. That would be step 1 to recovery.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Feb 2014, 20:20

Username Protected wrote:

But even Cirrus made the switch. Why can't/couldn't Eclipse? .

The Eclipse computer system controls EVERYTHING. It's like HAL. The circuit breakers are all electronic and controlled from the panel. The system has logic to prevent uneven flap deployment. It goes on and on. It's not just an avionics system. It goes even beyond a G1000. Would be impractical to swap.

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As I noted above, delusion is a getter word than scam.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Feb 2014, 20:22

Username Protected wrote:

The Eclipse computer system controls EVERYTHING. It's like HAL.

That's the case with all new airplanes. G1000, Honeywell Apex. The whole plane is controlled by the avionics. It's all integrated.They're all that way.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Feb 2014, 20:23

Username Protected wrote:

As I noted above, delusion is a getter word than scam.

Cirrus owners were called the same thing... some win some lose. The more that try, the better it is for all of us in the end.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Feb 2014, 20:23

Username Protected wrote:

The Eclipse computer system controls EVERYTHING. It's like HAL.

That's the case with all new airplanes. G1000, Honeywell Apex. The whole plane is controlled by the avionics. It's all integrated.They're all that way.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Feb 2014, 20:25

G1000 in the KA is not "factory".

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Feb 2014, 20:28

STC'd or factory shouldn't change the fact that the cb's will remain where they were. I haven't flown anything new with G1000, do they all have electronic cb's controlled inside the G1000? Lots of airliners are like this now.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Feb 2014, 20:32

Everything in the Cirrus is Garmin. Not sure on CB's.

Everything in my PC12 is Honeywell. I have CB's in the cockpit but a fraction of what is in the legacy aircraft because the Honeywell took it all over. My fuel sensors, flaps, gear, everything is Honeywell. My Honeywell warranty covers it all… Cabin pressurization is Honeywell.

All new airplanes "integration" is what it's all about.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Feb 2014, 20:45

Username Protected wrote:

Everything in the Cirrus is Garmin. Not sure on CB's.

Everything in my PC12 is Honeywell. I have CB's in the cockpit but a fraction of what is in the legacy aircraft because the Honeywell took it all over. My fuel sensors, flaps, gear, everything is Honeywell. My Honeywell warranty covers it all… Cabin pressurization is Honeywell.

All new airplanes "integration" is what it's all about.

Please start a separate thread on your transition to the PC12. The good, the bad and the ugly. We want to read about it. :thumbup:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Feb 2014, 20:48

Username Protected wrote:

Everything in the Cirrus is Garmin. Not sure on CB's.

Everything in my PC12 is Honeywell. I have CB's in the cockpit but a fraction of what is in the legacy aircraft because the Honeywell took it all over. My fuel sensors, flaps, gear, everything is Honeywell. My Honeywell warranty covers it all… Cabin pressurization is Honeywell.

All new airplanes "integration" is what it's all about.

Please start a separate thread on your transition to the PC12. The good, the bad and the ugly. We want to read about it. :thumbup:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Feb 2014, 21:00

Username Protected wrote:

Everything in the Cirrus is Garmin. Not sure on CB's.

Everything in my PC12 is Honeywell. I have CB's in the cockpit but a fraction of what is in the legacy aircraft because the Honeywell took it all over. My fuel sensors, flaps, gear, everything is Honeywell. My Honeywell warranty covers it all… Cabin pressurization is Honeywell.

All new airplanes "integration" is what it's all about.

Jason,

That is mostly limited to avionics integration and system monitoring at the lower end of the spectrum. Think G1000.
Above that, G5000 and Honeywell... control is integrated.
Eclipse was ahead of the game on the low end equipment and had monitoring and control integrated. This cost/complexity was from what I have read was underestimated, significantly.

Tim

My Eclipse Jet Saga ....