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Post subject: Re: Upgrade a legacy 182 or buy a newer Lyc 182? Posted: 08 Jul 2022, 21:20 |
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Joined: 02/25/16 Posts: 287 Post Likes: +170 Location: Tupelo, MS
Aircraft: 182R
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Username Protected wrote: Buy an R model Personal Opinion / YMMV I would personally avoid any Integrated Fuel Tank aka Wet Wing C182…. Search BT and elsewhere toward Cessna Wet Wing Issues, and the general inability to finitely resolve the issues, and, or the lack of any meaningful warranty after spending meaningful AMUs attempting a Fix 6 or 7 AMUs in Total to replace 2 Bladders will arguably look cheap compared to the cost an attempted Cessna 182 Wet Wing Leak Fix Already had mine repaired. He quoted $2k to patch where it was leaking and came in under that. The big fuel tanks are probably the best feature. I've owned it since 2017 and have had zero issues besides that and an alternator.
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Post subject: Re: Upgrade a legacy 182 or buy a newer Lyc 182? Posted: 08 Jul 2022, 21:40 |
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Joined: 05/01/17 Posts: 671 Post Likes: +317 Location: KVNC / KMKC
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Username Protected wrote: The big fuel tanks are probably the best feature. Agree, I enjoyed 88 gallons usable in my 1979 C182 in the mid-1980’s After adding the IO-550-D to my 1977 C182Q, I wanted more fuel / range and chose to add Flint Aero Internal Aux Tanks - 12.5 gallon added per wing / 23 gallon additional useable fuel - 7 AMUs Installed I can now carry 97 gallons usable / 7 Hours to Exhaustion LOP Your experience, thus far, with your 2 AMU Wet Wing repair sounds spectacular compared to what I’ve read over the last few years My combined new bladders and added Flint Aero Internal Aux Tanks cost to get to 97 gallons usable was roundly 14 AMUs, and arguably 25 year fix I’ve read about people spending as much as 14 AMUs per wing attempting to repair leaking Cessna Wet Wings
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Post subject: Re: Upgrade a legacy 182 or buy a newer Lyc 182? Posted: 08 Jul 2022, 23:31 |
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Joined: 01/10/16 Posts: 1172 Post Likes: +1378 Location: KLBO
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The newer ones are corrosion proofed, have more crash worthy seats, modern instrument panels, Lycoming engines and cylinders instead of Continental cylinders. Any 182 is a good airplane but if I were going to make the investment, I’d spend a bit more up-front and get a newer model.
The 177B Cardinal wins the entry / exit ease competition hands down.
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Post subject: Re: Upgrade a legacy 182 or buy a newer Lyc 182? Posted: 08 Jul 2022, 23:55 |
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Joined: 08/01/11 Posts: 6761 Post Likes: +5796 Location: In between the opioid and marijuana epidemics
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Restart 182’s are highly desirable.
Seats, panel, and electric system all much better.
Someone said they don’t produce more power. That is a not true. Look at service ceilings on models with same 3100 # GW. I have north of 1,000 hours in one. They carry a premium in the market.
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Post subject: Re: Upgrade a legacy 182 or buy a newer Lyc 182? Posted: 09 Jul 2022, 00:07 |
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Joined: 02/25/16 Posts: 287 Post Likes: +170 Location: Tupelo, MS
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Username Protected wrote: The newer ones are corrosion proofed, have more crash worthy seats, modern instrument panels, Lycoming engines and cylinders instead of Continental cylinders. Any 182 is a good airplane but if I were going to make the investment, I’d spend a bit more up-front and get a newer model.
The 177B Cardinal wins the entry / exit ease competition hands down. R models came zinc chromated from the factory. Possibly the Q, but not sure.
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Post subject: Re: Upgrade a legacy 182 or buy a newer Lyc 182? Posted: 09 Jul 2022, 00:10 |
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Username Protected wrote: Someone said they don’t produce more power. That is a not true.
I’m curious to know how 230hp in the new ones is more than 230hp in the old ones.
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Post subject: Re: Upgrade a legacy 182 or buy a newer Lyc 182? Posted: 09 Jul 2022, 01:55 |
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Joined: 02/25/16 Posts: 287 Post Likes: +170 Location: Tupelo, MS
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Username Protected wrote: Someone said they don’t produce more power. That is a not true.
I’m curious to know how 230hp in the new ones is more than 230hp in the old ones. I guess Lycoming’s horses are bigger than Continental’s
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Post subject: Re: Upgrade a legacy 182 or buy a newer Lyc 182? Posted: 09 Jul 2022, 08:10 |
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Joined: 05/01/17 Posts: 671 Post Likes: +317 Location: KVNC / KMKC
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Username Protected wrote: Someone said they don’t produce more power. That is a not true.
I’m curious to know how 230hp in the new ones is more than 230hp in the old ones. Obviously, doesn’t add more hp, but I personally prefer Fuel Injection versus Carbureted - YMMV
Particularly, I prefer a Fuel Injected engine with a well balanced fuel injection delivery system, arguably added GAMI Injectors, aoffering the opportunity to operate LOP, if so desired
Personal Preferences are just THAT, “Personal Preferences”
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The 230 hp Restart Lycomings are fuel injected, offering THAT Opportunity
My Air Plains IO-550-D XP 300 hp conversion to my Legacy C182Q is also fuel injected, albeit with an added 70 hp / 30% more hp than a stock 230 hp C182
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Post subject: Re: Upgrade a legacy 182 or buy a newer Lyc 182? Posted: 09 Jul 2022, 08:45 |
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Joined: 08/01/11 Posts: 6761 Post Likes: +5796 Location: In between the opioid and marijuana epidemics
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Username Protected wrote: Someone said they don’t produce more power. That is a not true.
I’m curious to know how 230hp in the new ones is more than 230hp in the old ones.
Go look up service ceiling numbers and it becomes obvious. There is still no replacement for displacement.
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Post subject: Re: Upgrade a legacy 182 or buy a newer Lyc 182? Posted: 09 Jul 2022, 09:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: Someone said they don’t produce more power. That is a not true.
I’m curious to know how 230hp in the new ones is more than 230hp in the old ones.
Derated sea level Hp numbers don't off much information about real power available at altitude.
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Post subject: Re: Upgrade a legacy 182 or buy a newer Lyc 182? Posted: 09 Jul 2022, 09:48 |
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Username Protected wrote: Someone said they don’t produce more power. That is a not true.
I’m curious to know how 230hp in the new ones is more than 230hp in the old ones.
You have to be careful with hp ratings. The 200 hp Lycoming powered Seneca I vs. the 200 hp Continental powered Seneca II is an example.
Horsepower ratings are notoriously an apples to oranges comparison. Continental even changed the way they internally rate hp before the 550 was introduced.
Aerostars have the 290 hp 601P vs 290 hp 602P. Not comparable performance.
The low RPM -U engine in the 182 is a poor performer at altitude vs the high RPM -R engine in earlier models, despie both being rated at 230 hp. Pretty important here in Colorado.
Anyone ever flown a 145hp Continental and 150hp Lycoming powered 172 on a high DA day. The 5 hp difference sure feels more like 15 hp to me!
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Post subject: Re: Upgrade a legacy 182 or buy a newer Lyc 182? Posted: 09 Jul 2022, 09:58 |
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Joined: 02/25/16 Posts: 287 Post Likes: +170 Location: Tupelo, MS
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I see low-mid 140s at cruising altitudes with my -U. It’s livable, but XP470, or one of the others, is the way to go if you’re doing an all out upgrade from scratch.
I’ve always been interested to see what it would do if I turned it up to 2650rpm. That’s essentially what the John Jewell 252hp stc is, with a different carb and balance tube.
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