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I've played with it..... It's great.

I have also played with Proline Fusion on the ground. The CJ3 STC will not have HUD. RC does say that Proline Fusion will be the platform for new features like CPDLC. Proline 21 in the Citations will never be upgradeable to CPDLC.

The CJ3 STC will have syn vis. Fusion has knobs and buttons and you can do things the old way like with the PL21. The PFD/MFD are touch screens and you can now do many things a more intuitive way touching the screens. And it has a full keyboard for data entry.

It will be interesting to see if the market prefers the CJ3+ with the G3000 or the CJ3 with Proline Fusion. RC has a good number of orders already for the STC.

Industry?

Yep, no TAP on that one... so not viable.

They have a CJ4 and a Legacy 450, so as far as I know they haven't replaced the CJ3 with anything.

There are a lot of CJ3's and CJ4's that owners want to sell to upgrade to Sovereign+'s, Latitudes, Legacy 450's and 500's but Cessna is dominating that market selling new CJ4's

The economy comments makes one think they're putting these on the market thinking they can move them now.

May be viable, but you have to research it.

Get the serial numbers, contact Williams, see what it costs. It is probable that SOME payments to the engine program were made, sometimes that is part of a loan agreement or they give you a discount on early hours that most owners take, so there MAY be some value to be had here.

Alternatively, you can go to TBO, send them in, and take a chance it would be less than the catch up payments. 4000 hours of $150/hour program costs add up to $600K. Seems like you should be able to get an OH for that, but this is a monopoly by Williams.

I have yet to find someone off program who has done HSI or OH at Williams and who is willing to give details on what it cost. Williams seems to work much like the mafia in this regard.

Mike C.

Alternatively, you can go to TBO, send them in, and take a chance it would be less than the catch up payments. 4000 hours of $150/hour program costs add up to $600K. Seems like you should be able to get an OH for that, but this is a monopoly by Williams.

I have yet to find someone off program who has done HSI or OH at Williams and who is willing to give details on what it cost. Williams seems to work much like the mafia in this regard.

Mike C.

From what I've learned about engine programs, once you quit the programm you get zero credit for whatever was paid into it.

May be viable, but you have to research it.

Get the serial numbers, contact Williams, see what it costs. It is probable that SOME payments to the engine program were made, sometimes that is part of a loan agreement or they give you a discount on early hours that most owners take, so there MAY be some value to be had here.

Alternatively, you can go to TBO, send them in, and take a chance it would be less than the catch up payments. 4000 hours of $150/hour program costs add up to $600K. Seems like you should be able to get an OH for that, but this is a monopoly by Williams.

I have yet to find someone off program who has done HSI or OH at Williams and who is willing to give details on what it cost. Williams seems to work much like the mafia in this regard.

Mike C.

That is because Williams builds engines for the cruise missle and other military flying stuff at that factory. Interesting stat I was told at the factory - there has never been a failure to ignite a cruise missle engine. They have 100% reliability of Williams missle engines.

and they apparently pass that cost on over to the GA folks flying their jet engines