BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Jul 2016, 15:29

Username Protected wrote:

When I heard Denali - I thought of the GMC SUV.

aka overpriced surburban with too many farkles

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Jul 2016, 15:36

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No matter what plane I fly everyone else's is always 10 kts faster, at least on the Internet.

I'm noticing a trend......you may need some brushing up on the flying skills :duck:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Jul 2016, 15:42

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It's nice to see they went with something else than the PT6. The segment needs another engine player. Probably will burn less fuel, as the PT6 isn't the most modern or fuel efficient design.

Will be interesting to see reliability. Pratt reports 1 shutdown per 370,000 hrs in their PT6. Nobody else claims that level of reliability. With a single engine plane, that engine reliability is going to be a big deal to future sales. If the actual rate of failure is 2, 3, 6 times higher, it will doom the airplane, until they re-engine it with a Pratt. Over 6 million hours of PC12 flight time without a single engine related fatal, perfect record with the Meridian as well. Going to be tough to convince a lot of people that the new engine is better because it burns $15/hr less jet A. Maybe it will be better, want to be the first one to fly it in Night IMC over the Rockies?

That engine should probably start its test bed in something with 2 engines.... King Airs?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Jul 2016, 16:28

Username Protected wrote:

No matter what plane I fly everyone else's is always 10 kts faster, at least on the Internet.

I'm noticing a trend......you may need some brushing up on the flying skills :duck:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Jul 2016, 17:58

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I'll blame George!

He's already got enough of his hands with cylinder problems :duck:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Jul 2016, 17:59

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Adam, do you run book/torque numbers or if temp limited less than 780?

Keeping temps just under 780 at FL230 or 240. Trues out at 260-265.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Jul 2016, 18:10

Are you cruising at 285 Mike? I believe Jason is getting 268, but I've not seen any faster than that, ever.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Jul 2016, 18:21

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Are you cruising at 285 Mike? I believe Jason is getting 268, but I've not seen any faster than that, ever.

many times, but not without a tailwind :-)

My numbers are almost identical to the App's except the torque and fuel flow, where I'm slightly lower (obviously when temp limited)........most times I'm taking off almost fully loaded.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Jul 2016, 19:05

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Jason, where do you fly?

I just keep it below 780

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Jul 2016, 21:19

I've got a flight on Wed I'll snap some pics. Typical load 5 SOB and 2,000 lbs fuel.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Jul 2016, 22:13

I was at the press conference this morning standing beside a guy from Pratt.
We got told $4.8m in 2016 dollars. Not sure how does this compare to PC12 but got told thats its over $5m with options.
Competition is always a good thing.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Jul 2016, 01:04

Lol are we back on this torque/780 thing again? Mine is on torque charts or what the app says. We keep laminated torque charts up front. Our NG is 760-765 all day when running on the charts. The app also gives you book speed, ours is +/-2knots. We see 260-265 in the summer, 265-270 in the winter. Our flying is mainly Houston to New Orleans, so it never really gets cold. Flying a northeast trip in the winter I'll see 275.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Jul 2016, 01:22

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We see 260-265 in the summer, 265-270 in the winter.

Ok me too. So where does 285 come from? if the Cessna does an honest 285 on less fuel, bigger cargo door, Garmin avionics, more comfortable pilot seats, and lower purchase price what's not to like? Pilatus killer.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Jul 2016, 01:30

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We see 260-265 in the summer, 265-270 in the winter.

Ok me too. So where does 285 come from? if the Cessna does an honest 285 on less fuel, bigger cargo door, Garmin avionics, more comfortable pilot seats, and lower purchase price what's not to like? Pilatus killer.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Jul 2016, 07:56

Now I get it. 'Clean sheet design' means they put clean sheets of paper in the copier before they dropped a set of PC12 drawings in the document feeder.

CESSNA DENALI SINGLE ENGINE TURBOPROP