Yup. We can't say specific prices, but a few weeks ago I paid much less than that.

CAA is the shiznit.

Not a lot of fuel is at $3.50, most is around $4-4.50.
I have CAA and it's not worth the cost for me. Only 3 airports in Canada and non I use.
My main Customs fuel stop in the US is $4.40 with CAA and $4.00 with UVAIR.







265TAS in Summer. 275TAS in winter.

I'm buying JetA at about $3.50 a gallon nowadays now that I got CAA. I carry $25MM in insurance so my insurance premium is higher than average. So you can see how quoting hourly is gonna be all over the board.

Fuel programs are the way to go. Get all of them. I have made several trips over the past couple weeks. My home airport was $5.70 (They are crooks) and the other four airports I visited on the road were $3.30, $3.36, $3.38, and $4.60)

Yup. You gotta have more than 1.

Right now I am looking to double down on my aviation investment for more speed and payload. Old twins seem the obvious answer but 1990s TBMs and MUs are getting my attention. Then, this thread comes along.

First, Jason says his Pilatus mx is the same as his and presumably my Bo. Next, he says that his Pilatus has increased in value causing him to discount the import of the capital investment. Now, I learn that you guys can buy jet-a at these absurdly low prices. My head is spinning.

What to do....

Mark

Going 300 knots at fl340 you are a flying road block in the sky!
Ask me how I know? I spent half my life out of gas in a Citation 500 going not a lot faster.

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Lose a motor in a single and it gets VERY quiet...

I've not collected all the data I was looking for on the Pilatus yet from actual operators so I'm using data I got from the Pilatus web site. Here's a link for easy review:
http://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/#13
PC12s and MU2s all are rugged birds that don't require much at all in the way of unscheduled airframe MX. Advantage- tie

MU2s are less than half the money of the PC12. Advantage- Mits

Surprisingly, they have the same range. Advantage- tie

MU2 Solitaire seats seven, five in true comfort. Pilatus, I'm pretty sure you can play frisbee in it. Advantage- Pilatus

MU2 has two smaller engines that cost about half as much to OH as the big Pratts from what I gather; the Mits' motors have less MX in between. Advantage- Mits

Mits is faster. PC12 has a better safety record, unless you look at the years starting with the SFAR.

Here's the real question: is your life, and the life of your family, worth the extra training it takes to properly fly a multi engine turbine? If the answer is yes, you need two motors.

I mean no disrespect to the Pilatus guys. It's a personal choice, and having another engine turning doesn't assure safety, BUT- if it costs less to buy and in the same ballpark to run, don't you want the other motor out there crossing mountains? Water? Night? In the flight levels? Choice is simple for me, but admittedly, I'm a chicken.

oooooohhhhh gotta watch this one

The market does not agree with you. Explain that. I really wish some of you guys would give up on the single v. twin debate. You've lost. It's over. Nobody's building prop twins anymore. Get over it.

PC12's, TBM's etc. aren't falling from the sky. I've run my PC12 all over the western hemisphere. No MX issues. Why should I fly a plane that's difficult, has a lot of down time, isn't built anymore and I'll never be able to sell?

I fly into Aspen, Teterboro, Ohare, Central and S. America, Caribbean, you name it. I haul tons of people and stuff too. I can't figure out why I should fly a more complex airplane. Pilatus can't build'em fast enough. What would I get out of a more complex airplane?

The last time I saw a Mits on the ramp......... Don't remember. Maybe never.

My PC12 has gone UP in value since I've owned it. If what you wrote is true, explain why every data point goes against your way of thinking. Hell, just post one statistic that backs up your way of thinking. "less to buy" means a lot of things. Can you sell your Mits?

The market does not agree with you. Explain that. I really wish some of you guys would give up on the single v. twin debate. You've lost. It's over. Nobody's building prop twins anymore. Get over it.

PC12's, TBM's etc. aren't falling from the sky. I've run my PC12 all over the western hemisphere. No MX issues. Why should I fly a plane that's difficult, has a lot of down time, isn't built anymore and I'll never be able to sell?

I fly into Aspen, Teterboro, Ohare, Central and S. America, Caribbean, you name it. I haul tons of people and stuff too. I can't figure out why I should fly a more complex airplane. Pilatus can't build'em fast enough. What would I get out of a more complex airplane?

The last time I saw a Mits on the ramp......... Don't remember. Maybe never.

My PC12 has gone UP in value since I've owned it. If what you wrote is true, explain why every data point goes against your way of thinking. Hell, just post one statistic that backs up your way of thinking. "less to buy" means a lot of things. Can you sell your Mits?

Oh yeah. Forgot about those. I never see them on the ramp so it's an honest mistake. Where are they?

I'm not bashing anyone's airplane. I'm bashing the mentality that you're "safer in a twin". If true, you'd be able to back it up. If true, Cirrus, Pilatus and TBM wouldn't be crushing the market with their products. If true, even jets wouldn't be losing half their value in just a couple years. The "utility" and "safety" isn't there. The market disagrees with you.

The world has changed. I'm never on a ramp where there aren't several PC12's. Hell there are 15-20 on my home ramp any given day. They're everywhere.!

Oh yeah. Forgot about those. I never see them on the ramp so it's an honest mistake. Where are they?

I'm not bashing anyone's airplane. I'm bashing the mentality that you're "safer in a twin". If true, you'd be able to back it up. If true, Cirrus, Pilatus and TBM wouldn't be crushing the market with their products. If true, even jets wouldn't be losing half their value in just a couple years. The "utility" and "safety" isn't there. The market disagrees with you.

The world has changed. I'm never on a ramp where there aren't several PC12's. Hell there are 15-20 on my home ramp any given day. They're everywhere.!

No. Just doing my single v. twin thing

When has there ever been a TBM or PC12 crash due to engine failure? I can show a whole bunch of prop twin crashes due to an engine failure.

Oh crikey.......it's like a Seinfeld re-run, always fun, always entertaining.

How about a Cessna Caravan?

Forgot my smiley

double up, just in case

Got some program fuel in tx for 2.82 for the jet on the way home from az this sunday.