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Post subject: Re: TBM 850 vs Cirrus Vision Jet Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 14:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: If your decision was so "educated" how come you didn't know the Pilatus has an emergency egress door..... like every other airplane? For example
Jason,
The thread is about TBM and SF50. I asked the following question:
"Between the SF50 and the TBM is there a way to open the top part of a door or escape hatch which would be above the waterline after the airplane was ditched to help keep it afloat longer while you can climb out?"
Where in this question do you see the words Pilatus? I think I was pretty clear. Yes you did mention PC12 in your post. Maybe not that specific question but I used that question as en example showing that every question you asked I'd bet most buyers would know the answer to. Even my Bonanza had an emergency egress door over the wing. All planes do.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850 vs Cirrus Vision Jet Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 14:52 |
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Username Protected wrote: I was thinking about if it was a TBM or Pilatus. For a failure situation where partial torque is still available do they teach what point you should feather the propeller because the glide is better without it than with the prop turning and low torque.
Isn't this the case with every prop airplane than can feather a prop?
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850 vs Cirrus Vision Jet Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 14:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: For an example 300-400 ft lbs. If the engine is running but making low torque and dropping do you continue to let it run for some thrust from the stacks or shut it down in this situation.
If it's making power, wouldn't you use it?
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850 vs Cirrus Vision Jet Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 14:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: Do they teach a different best glide for distance vs time in the air to figure the problem and restart possibly?
Every airplane has a best glide and a checklist to get the motor restarted.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850 vs Cirrus Vision Jet Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 14:58 |
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Username Protected wrote: Is it common for ATC to give different instructions to a SE Turbine to keep them from being in this position from dry land or over mountains? Do you really believe this is a thing? Every pilot knows you can request and or file what you want or worst case say "unable". To presume that ATC should know the pilots personal preference based on how many engines on the airplane when most Controllers probably aren't even pilots is extremely odd to me. To think this you would have to apply the same logic to every brand of airplane flying as each brand has it's own pros and cons and every controller would know what those pros and cons are. If I'm trying to fly to Cancun or Vail, CO..... How's the controller supposed ot vector me away from the mountains or the ocean? Better yet, why would he assume I want to be?
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850 vs Cirrus Vision Jet Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 16:13 |
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Jason you won’t change my mind. The concepts I have described are obviously beyond your understanding so making fun of me about it shows you have a lack of out of the box thinking clouded by your willingness to jump anyone who might not agree with your SE Turboprop decision. Maybe Pilatus single turbine drivers have a Napoleon complex?
We’ll simply leave it at I flew the Pilatus and didn’t like it. My friend who wanted my honest opinion of how it flew did buy one and I understand his good reasons why. I gave it an honest try and wanted to like it since so many others do and it has merits. I’ll ride in his airplane.
Since this thread is about TBM850 and Cirrus I’ll leave it with I sat in a Cirrus Jet and liked it. I liked it more than I thought I would but I didn’t have the chance to fly it or the TBM yet. I’ve watched as information has come out and the products have matured. This thread title interested me because they are both named. I admire the Cirrus risk in what they brought to market. It’s different than anything else in a lot of ways. Not for everybody for sure but still it’s not another paper airplane that never got to market.
I don’t see what any of it had to ever do with Pilatus. Or twins vs single debate other than your comments. I’m going to head for PHL now in my dangerous Kingair to pickup family. Hope we make it.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850 vs Cirrus Vision Jet Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 17:27 |
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Username Protected wrote: Jason you won’t change my mind. The concepts I have described are obviously beyond your understanding so making fun of me about it shows you have a lack of out of the box thinking clouded by your willingness to jump anyone who might not agree with your SE Turboprop decision. Maybe Pilatus single turbine drivers have a Napoleon complex?
We’ll simply leave it at I flew the Pilatus and didn’t like it. My friend who wanted my honest opinion of how it flew did buy one and I understand his good reasons why. I gave it an honest try and wanted to like it since so many others do and it has merits. I’ll ride in his airplane.
Since this thread is about TBM850 and Cirrus I’ll leave it with I sat in a Cirrus Jet and liked it. I liked it more than I thought I would but I didn’t have the chance to fly it or the TBM yet. I’ve watched as information has come out and the products have matured. This thread title interested me because they are both named. I admire the Cirrus risk in what they brought to market. It’s different than anything else in a lot of ways. Not for everybody for sure but still it’s not another paper airplane that never got to market.
I don’t see what any of it had to ever do with Pilatus. Or twins vs single debate other than your comments. I’m going to head for PHL now in my dangerous Kingair to pickup family. Hope we make it. I apologize. I’m not trying to make fun of you nor am I trying to convince you to buy a PC12. I do feel my responses to your questions are in defense of “single engine” and not “PC12”. Any thread with a title SF50 devolves into single v twin. And that’s fine.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850 vs Cirrus Vision Jet Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 21:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: We’ll simply leave it at I flew the Pilatus and didn’t like it. My friend who wanted my honest opinion of how it flew did buy one and I understand his good reasons why. I gave it an honest try and wanted to like it since so many others do and it has merits. I’ll ride in his airplane.
That's an interesting statement coming from a fella that flies at KA 90. Great airplane BTW. What was your honest opinion on how it flew, it being the PC12. I flew the KA90, the 200 and the 300, all great airplanes. The PC12 was in a league of it's own. The twins outclimbed the PC12 by quite a bit, but settle into loading, range, fuel economy, safety, cruise and the PC12 starts to come into it's own. Start looking at every single other element and the KA starts to struggle a little. There are a fair number of reasons here, but suffice to say the KA suffers a little from 'oldistist'....if the PC12 does not do a serious upgrade here shortly, then it may fall into a similar trap. I'm interested to understand what about the flying characterestics of the PC12 that you DID not like, vs the KA 90.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850 vs Cirrus Vision Jet Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 22:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: For an example 300-400 ft lbs. If the engine is running but making low torque and dropping do you continue to let it run for some thrust from the stacks or shut it down in this situation.
Not taught, but I would be inclined to check my sink rate with in both conditions to see what works. I would guess anything over 15% would add to glide range but I didn't test this.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850 vs Cirrus Vision Jet Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 22:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: I was about IFR 10 miles off shore west of Nantucket yesterday and Cape Approach had me down to 2000 ft. That was the other weird thing.......wtf is going to Nantucket this time of the year? I'll be there in August.........don't tell NO ONE about the break off Nobadeer or Madaket
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850 vs Cirrus Vision Jet Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 22:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: I was about IFR 10 miles off shore west of Nantucket yesterday and Cape Approach had me down to 2000 ft. That was the other weird thing.......wtf is going to Nantucket this time of the year? I'll be there in August.........don't tell NO ONE about the break off Nobadeer or Madaket
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850 vs Cirrus Vision Jet Posted: 12 Apr 2019, 05:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: I was about IFR 10 miles off shore west of Nantucket yesterday and Cape Approach had me down to 2000 ft. That was the other weird thing.......wtf is going to Nantucket this time of the year? I'll be there in August.........don't tell NO ONE about the break off Nobadeer or Madaket
I go now, to enjoy the island and avoid the crowds. But I also avoid the beach, it really is too cold for the wife to drag me onto the sand. And I get points for going anyway....
Tim
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