Basic physics of flight stuff:
- Drag is proportional to speed squared.
- Power required is proportional to speed cubed.

So:
- Speed increase = 320kts/275kts = 1.16 (16% increase)
- Drag increase = 1.16 ^ 2 = 1.35 (35% increase)
- Power required = 1.16 ^ 3 = 1.58 (58% increase)

So to make a PC12 go 320 kts without changing the drag coefficient significantly would require an engine/prop combo to make 58% more power than now. That's a pretty big bump! Range would go to hell since for a turbine fuel flow is proportional to power, too.

What’s your fuel burn and TAS at 16.5?

I have yet to find a day with big wind where it was significantly lighter at 16 to warrant flying there vs the 20s. I take a pretty good fuel hit for being there. Speed is virtually unchanged from 280. I know they exist, I just always see 100kts at 28 and 80kts at 16.5

Assuming the jet you buy has better range/load capability than the turboprop you already have. To accomplish this from a PC12 requires a Phenom 300 or a PC24 for $10MM. Or $6.8MM to $10MM used. Plus 2X the cost to operate it.

The Phenom 100, M2 and Hondajet would slow me down. I could sell my PC12, pocket a million $$ and buy a used one and I still haven't done it. You're going ZERO mph sitting and the fbo getting gas.

You also need to be flying by yourself because you have no full fuel payload.

Even CJ3 hauls only 850Lbs with full fuel. Pilatus hauls 1200lbs with full fuel. Both planes have the same range on paper. The new Phenom 1300 hauls 1450 with full fuel. Again, same range.

Sorry to hear that you weigh 850 lbs.

Some folks can do a lot with 850lbs of payload.

M2 full fuel payload is 500lbs. Your post was about the M2..... remember?

Also, what are "hot and high" requirements for the M2 at MGW?

oh how I wish. Our winter winds shoot up the coast to the Northeast. The good news is I'm flying SC to MA tomorrow so it's in my favor this round.

Chip-

Our? I'm in Atlanta. I fly to TEB all the time. I do it VFR Direct both ways nowadays staying on the West side of the SFRA. Much faster than being on a FP and almost a dead straight line. Easy coast travel is not the reason I want the jet. It's strictly for West Bound in Winter.

If I lived in CT like Allen I would have the jet.

M2 full fuel payload is 500lbs. Your post was about the M2..... remember?

Also, what are "hot and high" requirements for the M2 at MGW?

Some people should really just have turbo props. Some people need jets. whats the issue here?
Keep the 12. Sounds like for you, it walks on water.

Hey Allen - Can you post the range chart for the m2? I didn’t realize it was just as fast at 41 as it is in the low 30s. The LRC specific fuel consumptions look better than than the Honda jets.

You're deflecting..... why? The conversation doesn't need to be this difficult. No, not Leadville (which I have done with 8 on board plus bags and flown non stop all the way back to Atlanta in the Pilatus). How about EGE?

Yes, if you fly around by yourself, the M2 checks all the boxes. The charts you posted don't tell the whole story.

Why does there need to be an issue? I thought we were comparing airplanes? I'm in the market. I need to do this.

The M2 would probably meet all my needs...... until I want to bring a few friends along then it blows up. Going places alone is no fun.

You're deflecting..... why? The conversation doesn't need to be this difficult. No, not Leadville (which I have done with 8 on board plus bags and flown non stop all the way back to Atlanta in the Pilatus). How about EGE?

Yes, if you fly around by yourself, the M2 checks all the boxes. The charts you posted don't tell the whole story.