Imagine if all BT sponsors (about 100 long) did the same.

It would be like watching infomercials all night.

Is that what you want BT to become?


Are you sure about that, or is that just an impression his BT marketing campaign has created in your mind? That's how marketing works.

For contrast, consider Tarver. Posts what he has to sell, doesn't create noise, is clearly "in the market", provides interesting info.

For another contrast, Garmin is a sponsor and they have people who post, but they aren't flooding us with promotional stuff, generally they answer real questions from users and don't create frothy topics to provide themselves a platform.

For another contrast, we have a number of insurance brokers like Tom Johnson, and they answer real questions we have instead of again creating frothy topics about their business.

I spend a lot of my time trying to be helpful with no business agenda or return expected (and I don't get any, either). The claim above that I post for my business interest is clearly wrong. Indeed, I should stop posting on BT and spend that time on my business instead if that's my goal.

Mike C.

Speaking solely for myself, I do not find Chip's posts self promotional but rather informative. If I find someone's post bothersome, that is my problem, not their's.

I don't want to speak for Neal, he's a friend and I refer a lot of business to him. I can't say enough good about the guy, but I don't think that is why he's not on Beechtalk.

The fact is, you'll have to look long and far to find someone busier than I am, my clients (and wife) will all tell you that I'm 12+ hours a day and 6 days a week. Yet, I make time for BT because it's how I take breaks, gets my mind off of whatever I am doing for a few minutes.

I suspect that Neal isn't here much for the same reason that many Beechtalk members are quiet, they're afraid of getting attacked or more accurately said, they simply do not want to mess with being attacked and having to defend themselves.

I'm not active on CJP for this very reason, if I wanted to promote my business, CJP would be the place to do it.

I'm here because you guys are like family, maybe a little dysfunctional at times. But family. I have some really good friends because of Beechtalk.

Maybe we could all be a little nicer to each other.

Nobody claimed you posted for your business interest. You’re a better reader than that.

It is a fact that your business is promoted every time you post. Those choices to promote your business were deliberate and intentional.

I find Chip’s posts to be informative and aviation-related. Personally, I’d like to see *more* posts from Tarver and Neal about their observations on the markets. Would I like to see every sponsor have “their” thread about a niche area of aviation? YES! I think it would be fantastically informative! I could skip the threads on stuff I didn’t care about - what a concept!

“Uggg, why do all these businesses at Oshkosh have to be so in my face with their booths? Can’t I just show off my own plane?” Y’know, some of us go to Oshkosh to see the vendors as well as the planes.

I believe he's also an active airline pilot, and he flies to see each plane he lists in person, so that adds up

I believe he's also an active airline pilot, and he flies to see each plane he lists in person, so that adds up

You will have to explain how I am promoting my business by posting on BT. I'd love to find out!

And then tell me how to post without doing so. I don't know how I could be less promoting than I am.

I don't ever recall telling you about how my business is going, or telling everyone I've hired a new employee, like Chip has done (and since edited out, clearly some guilty conscious there). It really did read like a company newsletter what he posted.

Chip: 1 in 34 posts are new threads. He like to create frothy topics to provide a platform for displaying his expertise.

Me: 1 in 190 posts are new threads.

If every sponsor of BT did what Chip does, it would become unusable.

Mike C.

You will have to explain how I am promoting my business by posting on BT. I'd love to find out!

It’s not an argument, and it doesn’t bother me that Mike promotes his business. I just think it’s weird to see him bashing others for promoting aviation businesses while he promotes a non-aviation business.

I like Chip’s posts about aircraft sales markets.

I like Mike’s posts about electronics.

That came about because I detest the BT PM system and don't want to carry on conversations within it. So I put my email in the sig to let people know that is the way to contact me, with a bit if obfuscation to trip up email harvesters.

I don't have any other email address. Most folks maintain a personal one separate from business. I don't.

I got a lot of private email asking me stuff. Some of it I can answer, some I can't. Mostly MU2 or Citation advice stuff. The number of times my BT activates have resulted in business for me is approximately zero. My potential customers just aren't here.

Someone observing my daily activities would conclude I am a professional emailer, but that's like calling a novelist a typist.

Mike C.

WELL, FOR THE RECORD, I'M NOT MAD AT ANY OF YOU. In fact, there are only four or five members whose post I avoid, but I'm still not mad.

I do think that if self promotion becomes too much of an issue from multiple sponsors, the Jeff's will recognize and address.

That is their business.

Now, back to the 100 degree heat. I'm filling my big tractor tires with water. Hell of a day to do that.

Jg

I’m mad at you for not using beet juice.

Oooooh, sounds like a big project coming, if you need ballast like that.........????