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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 01 Jan 2018, 17:10 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think the variable costs are under $400 an hour if you carefully plan your fuel stops. That, at BEST, pays for fuel. Maintenance is probably $200-300 an hour. Engine reserve on a pair of JT15D-1A is not know to me exactly, and depends on whether you can find used engines to buy instead of HSI/OH. But I'd think you would be wise to budget at least $200/hour for a pair. So maybe you can get variable/direct costs around $800-900 an hour. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 01 Jan 2018, 21:18 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think the variable costs are under $400 an hour if you carefully plan your fuel stops. That, at BEST, pays for fuel. Maintenance is probably $200-300 an hour. Engine reserve on a pair of JT15D-1A is not know to me exactly, and depends on whether you can find used engines to buy instead of HSI/OH. But I'd think you would be wise to budget at least $200/hour for a pair. So maybe you can get variable/direct costs around $800-900 an hour. Mike C.
I'll report back in a year. Used motors are about 100/hr per motor. BUT, with 800 hours left (more than I'll own this thing), I think I've bottomed out on the depreciation curve (based on how cheap I purchased this thing for) so I don't think the motors are costing me anything as long as I don't sell the airplane with 3 hours left on them. There's no way maintenance is going to be 200-300 an hour. This thing is simpler than a Baron which is probably closer to 60-80 an hour. The parts are cheaper too because there are so many used ones out there.
This is my cheap jet experience. So far so good but past success is no prediction of future success. I'll share the experience.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 01 Jan 2018, 22:41 |
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Michael, maybe I missed it, but does your 501SP have ADS-B? If not, what is it going to cost to have it done?
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 01 Jan 2018, 22:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: Michael, maybe I missed it, but does your 501SP have ADS-B? If not, what is it going to cost to have it done?
Vince Part 23 means a simple garmin solution is available so no worse than a bonanza
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 01 Jan 2018, 23:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: Is there a long range tank option for the earlier Citations? Sierra has a bumped out wing mod and Branson has a fuselage tank so yes more fuel is available
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 01 Jan 2018, 23:28 |
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Username Protected wrote: Is there a long range tank option for the earlier Citations? Sierra has a bumped out wing mod and Branson has a fuselage tank so yes more fuel is available
Sierra is no longer doing those type of mods.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 01 Jan 2018, 23:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: Sierra is no longer doing those type of mods. And if they were you would be a goofball to buy it. Would blow your “buy a Citation for the part out cost” strategy.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 01 Jan 2018, 23:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: How much extra fuel does the Branson tank give? Thought Sierra bought that mod and a bunch of others from Branson
_________________ Mark Hangen Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson) Power of the Turbine "Jet Elite"
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 01 Jan 2018, 23:48 |
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Username Protected wrote: So what's the max range you can get out of one of these with all available mods? One mod is the engine replacement program. I think it gives you close to 2,000 miles with the fuel mod. I think the 550 goes to 2400 miles.
_________________ Mark Hangen Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson) Power of the Turbine "Jet Elite"
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