And if you're questioning that the above picture of a Fiesta and not a 911 Turbo, then I'm sorry, but apparently it was you who has never seen a Porsche before. Enjoy, and BTW, it's a heavily tuned one

http://bringatrailer.com/2008/10/02/tun ... 930-turbo/

Fine, it's not a Fiesta, it's a Corvair.
Still waiting on my answers....


Wait, I thought the Ford "Ecoboost" with 4 cylinders wiped the floor with that old Porsche?


Nah, Ebola's only one reason property values here continue to rise, the other ones are the important ones...you wouldn't understand.
But are you going to fly your electric plane up here?

Once again, reading comprehension and maybe then fact you've never been in a old turbo. The turbo lag was horrendous, so a mustang will out accelerate it and out handle it out of a corner. You can actually accelerate a mustang out of a turn. And old 911 Turbo is a different beast. If you keep you foot 100% on the pedal, it will simply swap ends, in about 1 second when the turbo kicks in and you loose all grip. Anyways, never mind, no amount of reason or fact has ever meant anything to you. Like I said, I still would like to see an early 80s air cooled engine making 500hp out of 3.3 liters and not explode (or rather seize) after 60 seconds.

And I gave you the answer. 25hp difference between final 1982 Yurop model and US Export model. No differences before.

Nah, I've been in old Turbos, and there's no turbo lag in a Porsche 911 Targa, yours must have been adjusted wrong; it happens a lot when non-Porsche Certified mechanics work on them. Amazing you haven't blown it to smithereens yet.

I'm REALLY upset that you would question my reading comprehension, though; William. Just hurt, chapped, even. The pain is immense.

Can you prove a Mustang can outhandle a Porsche 911? Show me the proof, please.
(You can do it after you fill in the other missing information; take your time.)

And
You seem upset. I am too, now, I have hurt feelings; it's just terrible.

Still waiting on my answers, William. Waiting....

Bring up Targa again? Why not? After all, it was their slower heavier model, too.

No turbo lag in 1970's and 1980's porsches? Are you high? Here you go, quick google search for Porsche 930 turbo lag:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/197 ... day-review

"...Porsche’s escalation to 3.3 liters and 261 horsepower for the 1978 model year boosted the top speed to 165 mph but didn’t address the 930’s monumental character flaw: turbo lag as long as a coffee break. Mash the throttle at 3000 rpm, and the boost gauge plays dead until the tach reaches 4000. Then you enjoy a chiropractic neck adjustment until the wham peters out at 6000 rpm...."

You make sh!t up, that's why I'm upset. Every turboed car before late 90's had turbo lag until variable vane turbos were made cheap enough.

What's next? Your going to tell me the 930 is not a 911?

Here you go, if you're going to make sh!t up, at least make it believable. Porsche 930 history. Found it for you. Googles is your friend. See, I was wrong, there was no imports between 1980 and 1986. So the extra 25hp was never available in US until 1986 because no 930 was available in US.

The Porsche 930 Turbo was a unique sports car built by Porsche of Germany between 1975 and 1989.

930 was the number given for the 911 Turbo produced between 1975 and 1989. This Classic Porsche Car was Porsche’s top of the line model for its entire production duration. At the time of its introduction the Porsche 930 was the fastest production car available in Germany.

Porsche started experimenting with turbo charged engines on their race cars during the late 1950s and by 1972 they had began development on a turbocharged version of the 911. Porsche didn’t invent the turbo though; they merely took it to the next level. Porsche was taken with BMW’s attempt at turbo charging one of their racers in 1969. Porsche entered into Can-Am with their 917, powered by a 5.4L flat-12 turbocharged to over 1000 bhp which prompted rule changes in Can-Am racing.

Porsche introduced the first 911 Turbo in 1973 at the Paris Auto Show. While it wasn’t in production yet, their intent was clear. They took the engine of the Carrera RS 2.7 and increased it to 3.0L which found its way into the Porsche 930 launched in 1975.

Porsche made significant upgrades to the 930 for 1978, enlarging the engine to 3.3 liters and adding an air-to-air intercooler. By cooling the pressurized air charge, the intercooler helped increase power output to 300 hp. Other changes included re-profiling the rear ‘whale tail’ spoiler and raising it slightly to make room for the intercooler. Porsche also upgraded the brakes similar to those used on the 917 racecar.

Changing Japanese and American emissions regulations forced Porsche to withdraw the 930 from those markets in 1980. Believing the 928 would eventually replace the 911, Porsche cut back spending on the 930, and it was not until Fuhrmann’s resignation that the company finally committed the financing to meet US and Japanese regulations.

The 930 remained available in Europe, and for 1983 a 325 hp performance option was available on a build-to-order basis from Porsche. The add-on included a 4-pipe exhaust system and an additional oil-cooler requiring a remodeled front spoiler. Units bearing the add-on featured additional ventilation holes in the rear fenders and modified rockers.

The mighty 930 returned to America in 1986, and ran through the end of 930 series production in 1989.

The 930 proved fast but demanding. The Porsche 930 Turbo was prone to oversteer based on its rear engine layout and short wheelbase; combining those traits with the power of the turbocharged motor, which exhibited significant turbo-lag, meant driving the car required more skill to drive at the edge of its higher level of performance.

In 1976 the 930 cost $25,850. For comparison, a 911S was priced at $13,845.

Targa was the lightest Porsche 911 ever built.
You know that Porsche's Turbos were specifically made to NOT have turbo lag in them; you must have made up all of that that you just posted.


Don't be upset. It's bad for you.


Prove it.


If you don't know the difference between a 911 & a 930, what can I say?


I think a lot of people believe me, especially when I talk about Porsche Targa Turbos.


No, Sir, "googles" is YOUR friend. I now what I know, and I use "google" (one of them) when I'm not sure.


Truth FINALLY comes out, "I was wrong". Hallellujah.


That's what I told you in the first place.


Here, you are spot on. First time, too; see, we agree!

The rest of all that you cut & pasted was just drivel, use your own words next time & they'll be more believable. (At least to me).

When you want to know something about Porsche, just shoot me a PM & I'll get it right for you, William.
Chris

At some point, the First Law of Holes has to kick in...

Why is there a pissing match about Porsche on a thread about electric airplanes?

Tim

Because William challenged my utter & supreme knowledge of Porsche Targa Turbos.

(After I told him he was right).

None of you have any idea how much fun I've had with this today; huh? (Ok, a couple do that I talked to on the phone & rolled on the floor laughing with...)

Ok, full disclosure, before William loses his mind completely:
I don't know ANYTHING about Porsches except that I rode in a fast one when I was in the Army, and I watched the guy have to pull the engine to service it, as he had done a bunch of things I'll never understand to it.

AFTER William wouldn't accept my:

And he decided that he had to continue to denigrate me; I decided to let him go ahead with it, and go fishing, myself.

So; I asked him questions, told him to prove his points, and as he became angrier, I; of course, started telling him how much I know about Porsches, laughing at every word I typed; as I knew they were wrong, and I knew he'd spin out farther the more I wrote.
And he did. (I am the Nostradamus of Porsches).

He worked HARD to convince me that he knew everything there is to know about Porsches, I laughed hard when I told him he's lucky his Turbo never blew up.

He called me "Mr. Know It all" when he posted a picture of a Porsche, I told him the picture was a Ford Fiesta. He didn't like that....and...:
I laughed some more.....

He told me I had reading comprehension skills problems, and that Porsches had Turbo Lag problems, I told him his was just adjusted wrong...especially when non-Porsche Certified Mechanics worked on them...and I laughed some more....

Then he got real mad & I told him he hurt my feelings....
(& yep, I laughed some more...)

Then he told me if I was going to make %#$@ up, at least make it believable...& I don't really know how to do that....I'm a bad liar....just no good at it....so I was making %#$@ up....and he WAS believing that I was actually trying to correct him...so I...
Laughed some more...

Finally, I told him we AGREED!
And then told him what he posted was drivel...(oopsy!)

So William, chill, my Brother.
You are the KING of all Porsches, I relinquish my Crown to your forever, I will forever look to you whenever the word "Porsche" is spouted.

Chris

Now that were off the thread are there any aviation Porsche engines still flying around? They seemed to be ahead of their time...
They should bring their 918 hybrid technology back to Aviation!

Cheers

Yes Chris,

That is precisely what I did: I hacked car and drivers website and made an article of my own. Don't spin my words around. You were in a 1970's 500hp porsche that needed an engine removed to change oil and also happen to have traveled in time to acquire a variable vane turbo from the 1990's so that it would not have the lag it was famous for that made the 911 Turbo the yuppie killer. And now you're trying to back pedal on your claims aka your typical MO. Now on top of everything you are claiming a glass roofed car AKA Targa was lighter than a metal roofed car. Sorry, bud, it was 180lb heavier in 1977. Also, Targa topped out around 160mph, not 200mph Your story has some serious holes, like most of your theories. Like I said, how is that ebola.

What I said initially WAS the truth, but it wasn't good enough for you, so you HAD to keep bringing it. In the end, instead of having a good laugh; (because it was, a GREAT laugh for the 5 different people from here I've shared it with), you decide that you STILL have to try to denigrate my character, over NOTHING.

My "typical MO", William, is to tell the truth. What's not typical is for me to lead someone around by the nose, as one of my friends who read this today said; "like teasing a cat". I gave you a little string, you pulled the hell out of it.

If you read what I wrote, you'd have grasped the idea that once I told you I thought you were taking pictures of a Ford Fiesta & posting them, you'd know I was playing with you.

Lighten up, Francis.
You are right about everything you said; except what I said about the Porsche I rode in; it was a 500 HP engine, per the Guy who took me for a ride in it; he DID need to take the engine out to service it (I saw him do it) other than that, the rest of what you said:

It was a JOKE, read the rest of what I wrote about it...


Rarely do I "backpedal". If I am wrong, I will, though.


A JOKE. I have no idea what a Porsche weighs.


They Guy's car I rode in topped out at close to 200 MPH. I rode in it with him when we did it.


My "theories" have served me well so far; William.

BEST to you; this was done in fun, in jest, people tease me all the time, because I'm too serious, and they're right to do it, I need it.
Chris

Here's some fun facts. I had a couple friends with turbo Porches in the late seventies, I never thought much of them, workmanship seem poor, and engine had no torque at all.
The other thing was that they couldn't even come close to the big block 71 stingray I was driving. That had a true, on the dyno 500 HP. Built by JRS racing, Jack Sandberg himself of Tsunami Fame. RIP . I still have it.
It would make those Turbo 911s look silly. It would be kinda close at first, but at about 160 their front end would get squirrelly and they would back off, by then they were already a spec in the mirror.
German corvair engine. OK cool then, but now you can buy one for less than a Nissan Leaf.

Greg

Detroit always had it right: "There is no substitution for cubic inches". They were right. Until the oil crisis hit...