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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 14 Apr 2022, 13:26 |
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I pretty much agree with Leif's points.
With my post, not saying replace fixed wing pistons. And not today or tomorrow. Probably 10-20 years before anything impactful happens.
Looking at electric cars, we had them but took Elon to really make them work from a market standpoint (even then small volume compared to combustion). That VTOL could take some of that market away. If you go with an uber type of service you order at specific pickup locations or however they plan to offer the service.
A reason it seems like it could impact is piston GA with leaded fuel - even though they are working on it and have been working on longer than I bet VTOLS will have that pressure on the market as we already see in some state(s). Which is similar to noise or any reason to close an airport.
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 14 Apr 2022, 14:57 |
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wait until the first VTOL comes down in a crowded area and kills someone. they will be pretty safe but if something fails they will crash no glide capability with most designs. nothing is perfect.
the NIMBY effect will be huge and drive every one back to surface transportation like autonomous cars.
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 14 Apr 2022, 16:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: The VTOL is still in the fantasy stage. What happens after the first crash? My guess? The same thing as after a car or plane crash. (  ) I disagree. I think a crash would cause a major shakeup. People are used to car crashes, even somewhat used to plane crashes. But if a VTOL crashes, it ain't going to be pretty. The fantasy crowd will get their undies in a bundle with that one.
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 14 Apr 2022, 23:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think GA in the piston market will shrink with VTOLs or the like, link to news below highlights landing areas for vtols to charge. The VTOL is still in the fantasy stage. What happens after the first crash? I suspect that well meaning “pragmatic” people said the same thing about hot air balloon passenger flight in the 1880s and airplane passenger flight in 1910. And those well educated people in Auburn, Massachusetts thought Robert Goddard was beyond fantasy with ideas of space flight. They saw him as a dangerous lunatic and banished him. He relocated to desolate Roswell, New Mexico 1930 while the German’s took the most interest in his vision.
I guess after the “first crash” we could give up and let other nations execute that vision.
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 15 Apr 2022, 01:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: I suspect that well meaning “pragmatic” people said the same thing about hot air balloon passenger flight in the 1880s and airplane passenger flight in 1910. And those well educated people in Auburn, Massachusetts thought Robert Goddard was beyond fantasy with ideas of space flight. They saw him as a dangerous lunatic and banished him. He relocated to desolate Roswell, New Mexico 1930 while the German’s took the most interest in his vision.
I guess after the “first crash” we could give up and let other nations execute that vision. It’s not that anyone is going to give up. It’s just that the VTOL has a long way to go before it starts pushing out GA aircraft. One can’t deny that an early crash or two would reduce customer enthusiasm.
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 15 Apr 2022, 07:59 |
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I have been privileged to live through a time period where fantasy became reality time and time and time again. In some ways, I have been surprised at my inability to see what would succeed and what would fail. I guess I'm not as smart as I think I am.  What I have learned is that it is not wise, on my part, to second guess public preference, or doubt the ability of technical progress. That being said, I see more roadblocks than free passes for VTOLS. Even if the negatives I see are neutered by technology, there is still the issue of "unintended consequences"; like wind turbines slaughtering wildlife. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say what I see as the answer to travel issues: less of it. One step at a time, technology is removing the need for us to leave the house for work, shopping and pleasure. It may conjure up a world that does not appeal to me, but, then, I never could get into hard rock music either. Jg
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 15 Apr 2022, 09:43 |
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Username Protected wrote: ...I'm going to go out on a limb here and say what I see as the answer to travel issues: less of it. One step at a time, technology is removing the need for us to leave the house for work, shopping and pleasure. It may conjure up a world that does not appeal to me, but, then, I never could get into hard rock music either. Jg In a nut shell...brillirant...  I think you hit this one on the head. So much to see traveling up and down that key board.
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 15 Apr 2022, 18:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: 2022 "I thought there would be flying cars... where are the flying cars?" My answer to this is that they're called helicopters. You can buy one if you want.
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 15 Apr 2022, 20:48 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think GA in the piston market will shrink with VTOLs or the like, link to news below highlights landing areas for vtols to charge. The VTOL is still in the fantasy stage. What happens after the first crash?
The first video or two on the nightly news of a VTOL careening violently out of control will temper the public’s enthusiasm.
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 15 Apr 2022, 22:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: 2022 "I thought there would be flying cars... where are the flying cars?" My answer to this is that they're called helicopters. You can buy one if you want.
I want!
Now I just need to convince Amy and Brad!
Amy is my wife…
Brad is my banker!
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 15 Apr 2022, 22:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: I want!
Now I just need to convince Amy and Brad!
Amy is my wife…
Brad is my banker! A wise man once told me: you can have anything you want. You just can't have EVERYTHING you want.
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Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Posted: 16 Apr 2022, 08:30 |
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