01 Jul 2025, 05:14 [ UTC - 5; DST ]
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang?  Posted: 27 Jan 2017, 16:54 |
|
 |
|
|
Joined: 04/02/16
Posts: 35
Post Likes: +7
Aircraft: Bonanza A36
|
|
|
Is there something magical about a 42 year old 500 with the Williams conversion, that makes it worth roughly the same price as a 16 year old CJ1?
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 27 Jan 2017, 17:14 |
|
|
|
|
 |
Joined: 12/29/10
Posts: 2769
Post Likes: +2625
Location: Dallas, TX (KADS & KJWY)
Aircraft: T28B,7GCBC,E90
|
|
Username Protected wrote: Is there something magical about a 42 year old 500 with the Williams conversion, that makes it worth roughly the same price as a 16 year old CJ1? While I don't have the specs right in front of me to compare, by memory the Sierra 500's have better range and full fuel payload than the CJ/CJ1. However, that comes at the cost of being a bit of a "frankenplane" and of course being middle aged as opposed to being a teenager. I suspect the $1m Sierra 501's are going to be sitting on the market for a while, and that they aren't really the same value as a CJ1. A lot of the value of any of these planes is tied up in the engines. The hours before TBO and if they are on an engine program or not will greatly affect the value. Robert
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 27 Jan 2017, 17:19 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 03/09/13
Posts: 928
Post Likes: +471
Location: Byron Bay,NSW Australia
Aircraft: C525,C25A,C25C,CL604
|
|
Username Protected wrote: Is there something magical about a 42 year old 500 with the Williams conversion, that makes it worth roughly the same price as a 16 year old CJ1? The 500 is on engine programs (Tap Elite), the CJ1 isn't and in 350 hours the bill will be over $1.1M for the MPI. Andrew
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 27 Jan 2017, 17:27 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 12/29/10
Posts: 2769
Post Likes: +2625
Location: Dallas, TX (KADS & KJWY)
Aircraft: T28B,7GCBC,E90
|
|
Username Protected wrote: ...the bill will be over $1.1M for the MPI.
Andrew WOW. Can you run a Williams past TBO with just an overhaul like you can with a PT6? Robert
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 27 Jan 2017, 17:27 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 01/31/09
Posts: 5193
Post Likes: +3033
Location: Northern NJ
Aircraft: SR22;CJ2+;C510
|
|
Username Protected wrote: What's the TBO on the FJ44's? Depends. Early FJ44s were 3500 hours. More recent ones could be 4000 or 5000 hours. Depends on year manufactured, SB status, and if on TAP program.
_________________
Allen
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 27 Jan 2017, 17:28 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 01/31/09
Posts: 5193
Post Likes: +3033
Location: Northern NJ
Aircraft: SR22;CJ2+;C510
|
|
Username Protected wrote: ...the bill will be over $1.1M for the MPI.
Andrew WOW. Can you run a Williams past TBO with just an overhaul like you can with a PT6? Robert
No, because Williams has labeled the OH an inspection event which makes it mandatory.
_________________
Allen
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 27 Jan 2017, 17:29 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 03/09/13
Posts: 928
Post Likes: +471
Location: Byron Bay,NSW Australia
Aircraft: C525,C25A,C25C,CL604
|
|
Username Protected wrote: ...the bill will be over $1.1M for the MPI.
Andrew WOW. Can you run a Williams past TBO with just an overhaul like you can with a PT6? Robert
We can't over here, not sure about USA.
Andrew
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 27 Jan 2017, 19:02 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 08/24/13
Posts: 9839
Post Likes: +4604
Company: Aviation Tools / CCX
Location: KSMQ New Jersey
Aircraft: TBM700C2
|
|
Username Protected wrote: The Sierra 501's are damn interesting. While I'm not shopping now, I keep looking at my "next plane" and the idea of skipping turboprop and going straight to a jet is intriguing.
The problem is that I need 1200nm range. Straight 501 doesn't do it (and uses a lot of dead dinosaurs), and even the straight CJ struggles with that range.
Robert This one on Controller is now down to $750k. One hell of a bargain for a jet with FJ44s... http://www.controller.com/listings/airc ... tation-500I posted this link about a month ago and it was $950k.
Provided the engines are low time and on TAP, what would be upcoming big ticket maint items?
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 27 Jan 2017, 19:16 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 01/31/09
Posts: 5193
Post Likes: +3033
Location: Northern NJ
Aircraft: SR22;CJ2+;C510
|
|
Username Protected wrote: Every 36 months inspection, 100K. I would say $50K and up. There is a low utilization inspection program that extends the Phase 5 from 36 months to 72 months. http://www.baconaviation.com/citation-luip.html
_________________
Allen
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 27 Jan 2017, 23:13 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 04/02/16
Posts: 35
Post Likes: +7
Aircraft: Bonanza A36
|
|
|
So any Williams powered Citation, regardless of age and not on a TAP program, is facing the bone yard come TBO? I think I now understand what is referred to as the "Williams Mafia".
|
|
| Top |
|
|
Username Protected
|
Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 27 Jan 2017, 23:20 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: 04/02/16
Posts: 35
Post Likes: +7
Aircraft: Bonanza A36
|
|
Username Protected wrote: Every 36 months inspection, 100K. It's all relative. Spending $100k every 3 years on an airplane worth $500k, is no different than spending $1k on a $5k used car every 3 years. Of course a lot depends on what other mx is required in the interim.
|
|
| Top |
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum
|
Terms of Service | Forum FAQ | Contact Us
BeechTalk, LLC is the quintessential Beechcraft Owners & Pilots Group providing a
forum for the discussion of technical, practical, and entertaining issues relating to all Beech aircraft. These include
the Bonanza (both V-tail and straight-tail models), Baron, Debonair, Duke, Twin Bonanza, King Air, Sierra, Skipper, Sport, Sundowner,
Musketeer, Travel Air, Starship, Queen Air, BeechJet, and Premier lines of airplanes, turboprops, and turbojets.
BeechTalk, LLC is not affiliated or endorsed by the Beechcraft Corporation, its subsidiaries, or affiliates.
Beechcraft™, King Air™, and Travel Air™ are the registered trademarks of the Beechcraft Corporation.
Copyright© BeechTalk, LLC 2007-2025
|
|
|
|
