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Post subject: Re: Cessna 421C vs Piper Meridian Posted: 08 Nov 2021, 23:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: Thank you all, you have validated my thoughts including the potential demise of 100LL.
My preference is for a Meridian, however my trips frequently involve my kids and grandkids. Their comfort is important. Thus the 421C may make more sense. The longer trips to the Northeast and West are normally just my wife and me, but those only happen a couple times a year.
It’s been 20 years since I’ve flown a 421 & I’ve never been in a Meridian. I think I need to to have an inspection of each.
As for the “Oxymorn” comment, you left me hanging - would you offer an explanation? I just meant that saying that you landed on a 421 but that the Meridian also suits the mission seems like a contradiction in terms because they have different capabilities. The early Meridians have relatively low payload if you fill up the 170 gallon tanks on most you've got about 500 lbs to work with and the cabin is much smaller. For a family of 4 who is relatively small and packs light and not going too far it could work very well... but the 421 is going to haul a lot more and is much more spacious. People don't usually compare the two because if you need a 421 then the Meridian just isn't going to work, but if a Meridian will work you don't need a 421.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 421C vs Piper Meridian Posted: 09 Nov 2021, 15:11 |
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Just to reiterate what others have said, if the Meridian meets your useful load and space requirements I, would choose it over the 421. I have been in the 421 for almost 2 years now and we are just finally getting caught up on deferred maintenance. They are awesome airplanes when everything is operational, kinda like jack of all trades, master of none; roomy, fast enough, above most weather, can fly low if winds dictate, redundancy of 2 engines, very quiet cabin, tons of space and mine has 2450lbs useful load. But, dispatch reliability and maintenance costs are not their strong suits in my experience so far. I'm hoping that improves now that we've caught up on maintenance. Anyway all that said, if I could make the Meridian work, I would.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 421C vs Piper Meridian Posted: 10 Nov 2021, 00:20 |
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421C has a quieter, much larger cabin and you will learn more about twin cessna systems than you ever wanted to know and so will your mechanic. Meridian will be more boring.
If you have a great local shop I would get the 421, the cabin is really a different class compared to a Meridian. If you really need to get from A to B with as little fuss as possible, I’d get the Meridian. You may spend the same at the end of 10 years (probably favoring the Meridian by some amount), but the dispatch reliability will definitely favor the Meridian.
If you go 421, I’d only do it if you can find one that the previous owner was fastidious about, or go the opposite and get one run out where you know you’ll need to put $400,000 into. We’ve had a couple of 6 figure years, which is what I’d advise any pressurized legacy twin owner can expect if the previous owner only fixed stuff when it broke.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 421C vs Piper Meridian Posted: 10 Nov 2021, 00:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: What has the cabin size and redundancy of a 421C, the turbine reliability of a Meridian, the ruggedness of an airliner, and goes way faster than both of them?
C'mon, you know the answer.
Mike C. And can match their fuel efficiency: 441
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 421C vs Piper Meridian Posted: 10 Nov 2021, 00:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: And can match their fuel efficiency:
441 The nicest turboprop out there, IMO. Fast, long range, smooth. But much $$$ to get, and a bit lightly built. But no, not the answer I was looking for, but getting closer. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 421C vs Piper Meridian Posted: 10 Nov 2021, 00:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: Phenom? I assume a jet is not in play. Can get some for very low prices, though. 501SP for example. Got to bring the money for operating expense, though. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 421C vs Piper Meridian Posted: 10 Nov 2021, 05:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: And can match their fuel efficiency:
441 The nicest turboprop out there, IMO. Fast, long range, smooth. But much $$$ to get, and a bit lightly built. But no, not the answer I was looking for, but getting closer. Mike C.
441, second MU2
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 421C vs Piper Meridian Posted: 10 Nov 2021, 08:01 |
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Username Protected wrote: And can match their fuel efficiency:
441 The nicest turboprop out there, IMO. Fast, long range, smooth. But much $$$ to get, and a bit lightly built. But no, not the answer I was looking for, but getting closer. Mike C.
If a 421 is a MX hog, do the 441/425 have similar issues other than the engines?
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 421C vs Piper Meridian Posted: 10 Nov 2021, 08:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: If you go 421, I’d only do it if you can find one that the previous owner was fastidious about, or go the opposite and get one run out where you know you’ll need to put $400,000 into. We’ve had a couple of 6 figure years, which is what I’d advise any pressurized legacy twin owner can expect if the previous owner only fixed stuff when it broke. Ouch! Our Meridian was a 2008 Avidyne, and our average annual was $10,000.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 421C vs Piper Meridian Posted: 10 Nov 2021, 09:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: If a 421 is a MX hog, do the 441/425 have similar issues other than the engines? Not usually. The switch to turbine seems to have collateral benefits to all aircraft systems and improve reliability. The lack of vibration for piston engines could be the reason. Or maybe the turbines are just cared for better. They do have a different inspection/maintenance program. Fuel and electrical systems tend to be more robustly designed as well. I've heard that JetProps (Malibus converted to turbine) have greatly reduced maintenance after the engine change, perhaps substantiating the collateral benefits to aircraft systems from the reduced vibration. Having flown turbine for the last 14 years, I'll give up a second engine before I go back to pistons. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 421C vs Piper Meridian Posted: 10 Nov 2021, 09:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: What has the cabin size and redundancy of a 421C, the turbine reliability of a Meridian, the ruggedness of an airliner, and goes way faster than both of them?
C'mon, you know the answer.
Mike C. Airliner? That’s the Merlin IIIC.
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