I do think that it is incumbent on Pilatus to do as Gulfstream did and come up with and publish a method of operating their aircraft in accordance with noise abatement regulations.

If instead, their attitude toward their customers is "Tough luck, you are on your own" that would be of interest to potential buyers.

If no solution is found and promulgated, their plane will be hours limited at quite a few airports in both the U.S. and Europe, and banned from some airports altogether.

I don't like these noise rules any better than anyone else on this forum, but noise restrictions are a part of modern flying, particularly modern business jet flying.

Is it just random airplanes? Planesense? I don't show any being based there.

I agree it is probably technique. In the 90's I flew a GE powered Falcon 20 into SMO a few times a year. First departure we rang the bells. Second trip we talked to some locals and they showed us where the noise sensors were, off the runway departure end a ways. After that we would takeoff and climb best we could until the end of the runway and pull the power back to just maintain altitude. I did that until past the sensors and never set them off again.

I was told several Challengers set off the noise sensors when they left the APU running on departure.

A friend of mine just purchased a PC 24 and takes delivery of it this December..He said if one wanted to order one now it would be sometime before you could get one. I can’t wait to see it. He’s owned a PC12 for the past few years but needs more speed and range now.

Noise engineering studies show that altitude dissipates noise better than distance does, and therefore a steeper climb dissipates noise better than a flatter climb.

For noise on approach, the flap setting can make a great deal of difference in the approach power setting, and therefore the noise. Some jets only make it under the noise limit by reducing landing flaps.

So in the case of PC-24 it could be a matter of not using a better noise abatement procedure for takeoff and landing. Maybe somebody could post the PC-24 noise abatement procedure from the manual for us to see.


Edit: A typical turbojet noise abatement takeoff is with reduced power if able, climb at V2+10 with takeoff flap setting to 1500 feet, then pitch over, accelerate and clean up the flaps climbing at climb power.

One of the approaches to Tokyo is from over the water, and there was a note on the approach plate requiring that the gear be extended while over the water. We couldn't figure out why that was until we heard the story. We couldn't see how it had anything to do with noise abatement, and it didn't.

Jets often come in from Anchorage and when they operate in the winter there is snow on the ground. A jet coming in from Anchorage extended it's gear as normal, but over the populated land area, and a chunk of ice fell out of the gear well and killed somebody on the ground. Then they put the requirement on the approach plate.

Do you expect to see anything but profiles for NADP 1 and 2?

Although one could see variations: with NADP 2, we just went from VFS+10 to simply VFS.

Chip, lav sucks, too complicated to get to it. Externally serviced is idiotic IMHO, cause the engineers have not used a shitter on an airplane. My kids would kill it!!!
PC24 needs better autopilot control on one engine.

It’s all coming though. Their weekly improvement is remarkable.

What amazes me about that bird is the take off and landing….. damn

I liked the lav, thought it was brilliant, it wasn't too complicated... but yes, probably not suitable for kids. I'll post a video so everyone can see it.

PC-24 Lav Operation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXNmj9gIKiM

Is it just random airplanes? Planesense? I don't show any being based there.

That seems like a lot of work to use the bathroom plus you don’t get an extra belted seat!

Yep, no belted lav... no bench... just eight seats for big people. or six plus two.. which is how I expect my clients to lean.

Is that covered in your insurance policy?

I think it is common to see insurance limits that specify hard surface runways only for the more expensive planes like this.

Might want to check to make sure since it could be very expensive if something happens and you aren't covered.

Mike C.

Chip,
I noticed in another thread (I think) where you said that the real world transaction pricing of the PC-24 was significantly more than the 300E. If I'm remembering that correctly could you tell us more about that difference? I had seen spreads of as much as $2M but, in this market, I no longer trust my ears!

Yep, no belted lav... no bench... just eight seats for big people. or six plus two.. which is how I expect my clients to lean.