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Post subject: Re: Icon A5 Airworthy or Not? Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 15:35 |
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Joined: 11/30/18 Posts: 2511 Post Likes: +2207 Location: NH
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Jeeze, you guys need to fly for a bargain basement 135 for a few years.
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Post subject: Re: Icon A5 Airworthy or Not? Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 16:07 |
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Joined: 06/17/16 Posts: 511 Post Likes: +562 Location: Santa Monica, CA
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To clarify:
The fan is mechanical, mounted on the shaft from the gear reduction which drives the prop.
The placarding is molded into the plastic fan.
The placarding is quite visible without opening anything or touching the airplane. All one has to do is walk up and look.
As for notifying the manufacturer, I pointed this out to Icon employees, salespeople, flight instructors and the A&P mechanic, all full time Icon employees, many months ago. I was assured that they would get back to me with an answer.
I have never heard a word.
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Post subject: Re: Icon A5 Airworthy or Not? Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 19:10 |
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Username Protected wrote: Jeeze, you guys need to fly for a bargain basement 135 for a few years. BTDT. It’s not a relative measure. 
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Post subject: Re: Icon A5 Airworthy or Not? Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 19:37 |
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Joined: 11/03/08 Posts: 16400 Post Likes: +27615 Location: Peachtree City GA / Stoke-On-Trent UK
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a lot of tractor-config parts get turned around and look weird in pusher prop configurations. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions that it's wrong.
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Post subject: Re: Icon A5 Airworthy or Not? Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 19:46 |
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Joined: 06/17/16 Posts: 511 Post Likes: +562 Location: Santa Monica, CA
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Username Protected wrote: a lot of tractor-config parts get turned around and look weird in pusher prop configurations. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions that it's wrong. If it is not installed wrong, then it is placarded wrong. Either one renders the plane unairworthy.
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Post subject: Re: Icon A5 Airworthy or Not? Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 20:46 |
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Username Protected wrote:
If it is not installed wrong, then it is placarded wrong.
Either one renders the plane unairworthy.
If it was issued the airworthiness certificate in the configuration you’ve seen, then by definition it is NOT unairworthy. Whether it is a good idea or whether it conforms to what most of us would consider “best practices”, is a different question
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Post subject: Re: Icon A5 Airworthy or Not? Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 20:48 |
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Username Protected wrote: a lot of tractor-config parts get turned around and look weird in pusher prop configurations. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions that it's wrong. If it is not installed wrong, then it is placarded wrong. Either one renders the plane unairworthy.
Are you by chance on an HOA board?
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Post subject: Re: Icon A5 Airworthy or Not? Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 20:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: Are you by chance on an HOA board? That right there is funny. Sounds familiar. 
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Post subject: Re: Icon A5 Airworthy or Not? Posted: 07 Dec 2020, 00:12 |
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Username Protected wrote: Is something that is molded into the housing automatically a placard? I thought official placards were listed in the POH and if it was not listed on the POH (or maybe is that the type certificate data?) then it is not a placard. I’m with you on This. Although the OCD in me would tell the procurement guys to shave down those molded ridges to avoid any future confusion or attempted misassembly. The TPE331 on our Mu2 had a placard that said “Propeller Rotation —>” on the gearbox. Which would have been perfect for a -5 motor. But our -6 went the other way. Carry on.
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Post subject: Re: Icon A5 Airworthy or Not? Posted: 07 Dec 2020, 03:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: Jeeze, you guys need to fly for a bargain basement 135 for a few years.
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Post subject: Re: Icon A5 Airworthy or Not? Posted: 07 Dec 2020, 08:43 |
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Username Protected wrote: I’d be very disappointed if the FAA knowingly approved that part as it is described. I would not accept it on my airplane without a certified letter of approval from both Icon and OKC. FAA doesn't approve individual parts in the LSA world. It's a whole different beast. It has it difficulties, though. Manufacturers have to approve any changes and updates (including avionics). If they refuse, about your only recourse of to take it E-LSA. I'm sure it's an off the shelf part. And when it was designed for it's original purpose, it sounds like it was designed to blow ON to an engine. Maybe, in Icon's rear engine design, better cooling is gained by pulling air away from the engine. If the installation meets the design, as approved, then it's legal. If grinding down the molded in letters takes too much structure out of the fan shroud, then a small sticker saying that in Icon's design, the fan should blow in a different direction (maybe a nice arrow and an Icon logo). "Front toward Enemy" is my all time favorite molded in "placard".
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