BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Dec 2019, 23:49

Username Protected wrote:

thanks for all the updates folks...I will be looking into all these....If someone has a lead near the DFW area, please let me know....RL

Joe Casey is in Rusk, TX. Depending on how you define “area”, he’s close.
https://flycasey.com/contact-us/

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Jul 2020, 11:50

Username Protected wrote:

Looking for some input on a Piper Malibu....I am a current 121 Captain at a major airline...over 25 years and my brother has purchased a 2011 Malibu...he wants me to fly it some etc.....anyone have any info on what I would need to do and where to go for insurance purposes? Thx in advance! Rick

Any significant changes on who to go with since this thread last year? I’ve got a similar background to the OP and I’m looking at buying a PA46 in the next couple of months. Is there an advantage to getting training done before getting an insurance quote or is waiting for their requirements generally wiser?

John

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Jul 2020, 11:54

Username Protected wrote:

Joe Casey is great, especially if you are in TX.

I did a lot of training with Bill Archer too. Great guy to work with. He owns a Malibu which was nice as he helped me figure out how to manage the aircraft appropriately post training. I still ping him for lunch whenever I am in PHX.

The overall pa46 community is fantastic. MMOPA is second only to BT in terms of useful aviation online resources.

Agreed on all points noted. Casey is big in the space and one who most PA46 owner's seek out to train with. Lots of great resources for training via MMOPA - all are excellent. Carmody, Rochfort, McVinnie, ATM, etc all great!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Jul 2020, 11:56

my experience, I had to get the training first before insurance would cover me....If you are going to buy and fly, i would use your airplane for the training. I just fly for a guy part time, so he covers insurance etc, so I had to get the training first....good luck

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Jul 2020, 12:04

Thanks for the fast response. The biggest thing I’m trying to do is minimize the lag time from purchasing the aircraft to being able to use it. :bang:

I’m assuming the good instructors are able to fill their calendars months in advance.

John

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Jul 2020, 12:24

Username Protected wrote:

The biggest thing I’m trying to do is minimize the lag time from purchasing the aircraft to being able to use it.

If you're a current 121 pilot, there's a decent chance you will get a "5 hours in type, instructor signoff" quote. (ALthough the insurance market has gone kinda nuts lately)

The problem with PA46's is pilots who aren't used to a plane with systems, or understand weather, or are used to planning a descent at 4 miles a minute. The stick and rudder part is not much different from a Saratoga. Much of what's new to most PA46 pilots won't be for you.

Also, I've several times encountered a situation where

For $1,600 Company A will cover you. Need 10 hrs with CFI and 15 more solo before carrying pax

For $1840, Company B will cover you. Just need CFI signoff.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Jul 2020, 13:58

Ron Cox, one of Piper's instructors on the Malibu/Mirage/Aerostar from their beginnings at Piper.. Ron will travel to your location.. Ron is out of Vero Beach area.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Jul 2020, 02:12

Username Protected wrote:

The biggest thing I’m trying to do is minimize the lag time from purchasing the aircraft to being able to use it.

If you're a current 121 pilot, there's a decent chance you will get a "5 hours in type, instructor signoff" quote. (ALthough the insurance market has gone kinda nuts lately)

The problem with PA46's is pilots who aren't used to a plane with systems, or understand weather, or are used to planning a descent at 4 miles a minute. The stick and rudder part is not much different from a Saratoga. Much of what's new to most PA46 pilots won't be for you.

Also, I've several times encountered a situation where

For $1,600 Company A will cover you. Need 10 hrs with CFI and 15 more solo before carrying pax

For $1840, Company B will cover you. Just need CFI signoff.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Jul 2020, 07:54

John Mariani

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Jul 2020, 09:00

Username Protected wrote:

Thanks for the fast response. The biggest thing I’m trying to do is minimize the lag time from purchasing the aircraft to being able to use it. :bang:

I’m assuming the good instructors are able to fill their calendars months in advance.

John

No problem at all getting training done first, then you can “go to market” with a pile of Make/Model hours and a Completion Certificate which just makes you look more serious.

Only issue may be finding somebody with a plane you can use.
There are / is / or may be ways to resolve that though.

-46 has gotten increasingly popular recently.

Tj

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Jul 2020, 18:15

Username Protected wrote:

Thanks for the fast response. The biggest thing I’m trying to do is minimize the lag time from purchasing the aircraft to being able to use it. :bang:

I’m assuming the good instructors are able to fill their calendars months in advance.

John

No problem at all getting training done first, then you can “go to market” with a pile of Make/Model hours and a Completion Certificate which just makes you look more serious.

Only issue may be finding somebody with a plane you can use.
There are / is / or may be ways to resolve that though.

-46 has gotten increasingly popular recently.

Tj

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Jul 2020, 10:49

I did M350 training 2 years ago at Legacy in Vero Beach but I had 800 hours in a Malibu from several years ago,they use a simulator that is Garmin G1000 equipped just like the real thing so you do not need to borrow or own a M350.I am going back there this weekend for 2 day recurrent.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Jul 2020, 11:51

I just gutted it out and went to SIMCOM in Orlando.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Jul 2020, 12:49

Username Protected wrote:

That is definitely the angle I’m looking at. It’s kind of annoying to have to jump through a lot of hoops when flying complex aircraft in the flight levels all over the world is your day job. I don’t mind spending some time in a sim/systems trainer to learn how to properly work this aircraft type. Additionally, a few hours with a knowledgeable instructor in the air to cover things like managing your decent rate and power settings to avoid engine damage and common operational gotchas is prudent. You need to know what you are working with, but having a babysitter to do something you are already experienced in can be a nuisance. All that said, what I really want is to figure out the most efficient/cost effective route through the insurance process. If that means I have to swallow my ego, so be it.

John

I think swallowing the pride is pretty important. I will be honest that I hear your comments all day long, it can be frustrating for us in the industry also. But we also see very experienced pilots getting bit by "simple" airplanes all day long. Sometimes the results are pretty embarrassing for the pilots.

A guy like Bill Archer (Archer Aircraft Instructional Services) who I mentioned above has a similar background as you and will be able to fast track you to the things you need to know.

Half the times it is figuring out how to close the door!

Tj

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Jul 2020, 18:07

My two cents.

The PA46 is 10 pounds of stuff in a 5 pound sack.

The airframe has some surprises that need to be learned. All knowable but not intuitive.

P

Piper Malibu checkout