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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-24  Posted: 15 Apr 2015, 18:27 |
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Username Protected wrote: Honeywell warranty is about $15K a year. Covers a lot of stuff besides the avionics though. What else does it cover. Servos? No different than casp.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-24 Posted: 15 Apr 2015, 21:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: Just about everything but the engine. So much in the plane is Honeywell. Well, Than quite frankly, $15K a year is a pretty damn good deal. One more plus to pilots. You will not be getting away with that when you move to CJ4. It will run you about $120K a year to be on all the programs, 150 hour minimum.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-24 Posted: 15 Apr 2015, 21:58 |
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Username Protected wrote: Honeywell warranty is about $15K a year. Covers a lot of stuff besides the avionics though. What else does it cover. Servos? No different than casp.
Anything with an "H" on it.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-24 Posted: 15 Apr 2015, 22:39 |
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Username Protected wrote:
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Than quite frankly, $15K a year is a pretty damn good deal. One more plus to pilots. You will not be getting away with that when you move to CJ4. It will run you about $120K a year to be on all the programs, 150 hour minimum.
Well, like I said. I don't have an engine program for the Pilatus. If it craps out I'm buying a new one. Nobody with a PC12 seems to buy engine programs. Doesn't seem engine crap outs are that common either though.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-24 Posted: 15 Apr 2015, 22:43 |
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Username Protected wrote: Well, like I said. I don't have an engine program for the Pilatus. If it craps out I'm buying a new one. Nobody with a PC12 seems to buy engine programs. Doesn't seem engine crap outs are that common either though. And if it happens, pretty good chance the insurance company is buying you a whole new PC-12. (or the downpayment on a jet)
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-24 Posted: 15 Apr 2015, 22:55 |
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Username Protected wrote:
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Than quite frankly, $15K a year is a pretty damn good deal. One more plus to pilots. You will not be getting away with that when you move to CJ4. It will run you about $120K a year to be on all the programs, 150 hour minimum.
Well, like I said. I don't have an engine program for the Pilatus. If it craps out I'm buying a new one. Nobody with a PC12 seems to buy engine programs. Doesn't seem engine crap outs are that common either though.
Correct, but with a used CJ4, 1/3 to 1/2 of the value of the airframe is the engines. Jets are great on paper, but unless you're in the piss the money away category because it replenishes itself faster than you can spend it, turboprops just make sense.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-24 Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 07:23 |
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-24 Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 09:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: Jets are great on paper, but unless you're in the piss the money away category because it replenishes itself faster than you can spend it, turboprops just make sense. Not necessarily - this is a gross generalization. It just depends what you need the airplane for, what airplanes you are comparing, what is the typical flight you'll be doing and under what conditions. If you are comparing a KA200 to a Citation 650, Learjet or Hawker for 300-400 nm flights in the flat lands with 4-6 onboard, you are absolutely right. OTOH, CJ's were designed to compete with turboprops both in operating cost and cost of ownership, and under the right conditions they make more sense. But of course, we all try to rationalize our decisions. I just bought a CJ, you apparently fly a King Air.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-24 Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 10:04 |
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Username Protected wrote: Not necessarily - this is a gross generalization. It just depends what you need the airplane for, what airplanes you are comparing, what is the typical flight you'll be doing and under what conditions. If you are comparing a KA200 to a Citation 650, Learjet or Hawker for 300-400 nm flights in the flat lands with 4-6 onboard, you are absolutely right. OTOH, CJ's were designed to compete with turboprops both in operating cost and cost of ownership, and under the right conditions they make more sense. Step 1 in this rationalization is Single Pilot vs. 2 pilots. I'm assuming we're all "single pilot" kinda guys here. Step 2 is..... My PC12 has a larger cabin, more useful load and about the same range as the largest SP jets. The PC12 operates for a lot less money/fuel and the only downside is it's slower and ugly. I've worked the numbers every way in the world and the biggest benefit I get from moving to a CJ4 or Phenom 300 is "they look awesome". The market supports this assessment as I can sell my PC12 for a lot more than I paid for it and anyone who bought a new CJ4 or Phenom is taking a bath. Of course I'd rather have a jet. I'm not saying the PC12 is better. I'm just saying I'm completing all the exact same missions and more (St. Barth, San Pedro, etc.)
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-24 Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 10:12 |
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Username Protected wrote: Not necessarily - this is a gross generalization. It just depends what you need the airplane for, what airplanes you are comparing, what is the typical flight you'll be doing and under what conditions. If you are comparing a KA200 to a Citation 650, Learjet or Hawker for 300-400 nm flights in the flat lands with 4-6 onboard, you are absolutely right. OTOH, CJ's were designed to compete with turboprops both in operating cost and cost of ownership, and under the right conditions they make more sense. Step 1 in this rationalization is Single Pilot vs. 2 pilots. I'm assuming we're all "single pilot" kinda guys here. Step 2 is..... My PC12 has a larger cabin, more useful load and about the same range as the largest SP jets. The PC12 operates for a lot less money/fuel and the only downside is it's slower and ugly. I've worked the numbers every way in the world and the biggest benefit I get from moving to a CJ4 or Phenom 300 is "they look awesome". The market supports this assessment as I can sell my PC12 for a lot more than I paid for it and anyone who bought a new CJ4 or Phenom is taking a bath.
The PC12 may be as homely as my fat cousin, but for utility, I could try to rationalize all day long, but it's hard to beat the PC12. We share one and it is hands down the best value in aviation. That said, if you need to be 2 or 3 places in a day on business and they are 600 mm miles apart, it's going to be a loooong day. Do this 2-3 times a week, and it will get old pretty fast.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-24 Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 10:18 |
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Username Protected wrote: You guys suck; I think the PC-12 looks awesome. Hey! My cousin's husband thinks she's hot!
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