Great point. Obviously they have a very different drag profile. But they also are getting enough thrust out of the props. I think if you look carefully, they have some pretty radical twist in the prop blades, as well as 5 blades, etc.

But your point is that it can be done, and that is true. I dunno about SETP though, I think there are things about the Piaggio that aren’t easily replicated on SETP.

JC,
Buy a new 930 for the majority of your flights. A used 700 with a pilot for the times you want to move 8. Won't be anymore money than a single Pilatus or close.

the 930 is 320+ KTS and the 700 without radar, flying in formation with your 930, could probably keep up...

I know I'm just silly stupid.

Great point. Obviously they have a very different drag profile. But they also are getting enough thrust out of the props. I think if you look carefully, they have some pretty radical twist in the prop blades, as well as 5 blades, etc.

But your point is that it can be done, and that is true. I dunno about SETP though, I think there are things about the Piaggio that aren’t easily replicated on SETP.

How come the King Air is being ignored? ‘67’s will do well over 300 it’s. 300 with 67’s might make 340. And two engines means flying at night is a more comfortable thought. And over water. Type rating fear, time?

Me? I’ve watched countless people go from the M2 to something with more range. I’m going to do my best to buying my last jet first. And I don’t want anymore spinners.

You’re fighting stall speed, in the event your SETP experiences an uncommanded conversion to 0ETP.

Even though I think the limit is not regulatory on the PC12 as it is on most singles, you really want a slow stall and landing speed. If you should happen to face uncommanded landing, you will be wishing your stall speed was 5kts instead of 65kts.

Twins don’t generally worry about this in design, as the theory is the remaining spinny thing will allow for a runway landing. They will usually use the stall speed as a limit for runway length and landing performance, rather than survivability.

Sensible trade off.

you can’t argue against Pilatus safety stats.

The “twin thing” doesn’t play into my thought process.

I have only had one PT6 Grenade on me, it was the left engine...so if Pilatus uses only right engines ……..

Wouldnt begin to argue against the 12.You just said you wanted 300kts. KA will beat that easily. And get a lot higher. Whatever.

A Blackhawk 350 will go 300+ knots but won't have the range/payload of the Pilatus. I already researched it. It's not going to work for me.

And the KA's look like old '57 Chevy's to me. I need the cargo door and the trailing link gear.

Where are all the Pilatus engine failures then? There are hundreds of Pilatus flights a day. Millions of hours since 1994. By your account they'd be falling out of the sky and the company would go bankrupt.

How am I doing it?

I wish the 425 had a wider door. The only good thing about it is it motivates me to go to the gym because it's so damn narrow. If I had a cargo door I could carry more work related stuff and the plane would be more useful.

So funny. It's really just nice for loading. I don't take anything through the airstair door.

On that Falcon 20 flight all our bags were in the unpressurized cargo hold. They were frozen when we landed and I couldn't get to them in flight.

We all love the “jet itch”..........it’s just how much do you want to spend to scratch it!
Jumping to a phenom 300 or PC24 ain’t probably gonna happen. I just do not see how the VLJ’s help with the majority of my flights. Still can not deny they look cool!!

I agree the PC12 is a very reliable airplane.

The "twin thing" isn't a "thing" it is just a reality and a design factor. If you have redundant thrust and something causes the loss of one source of thrust, you have the ability to set the aircraft down on a runway in most cases.

The single "thing" is really pretty simple. If stops making noise, you're landing, real soon now, on whatever is within gliding distance. That's true if the engine stops, or the propeller fails or some such. Also pressurization is gone as well, which may hasten your descent.

Yes, I know, the PT6 is great. But it is a thing and things sometimes fail.

I wouldn't fly a trip in a SETP that I wouldn't fly in a piston single. While the probability of failure is very low, the consequences of failure are very high. It just takes once to make it important. There are trips I'd fly in a piston twin that I would not in SETP.

Night, especially over hostile terrain, over water, higher IFR conditions, hostile terrain in the daytime, etc, are things I'd do in multiengine aircraft, that I won't in a single.

Heck, flying over the high mountains when they're covered in snow is very pretty. But a lot of it is completely unreachable. Even if one were to land safely, you'd die long before anyone could come get you.

It is a tradeoff I made, going from a twin to a single. I adjusted my risk criteria.

But getting back to your desire for 300kts - things that fly fast don't like to fly slow. Sometimes being able to fly slow is a reasonably good idea.

Four of these things, are not like the other ones from this PC12's gear-reduction box.....

The failure was real....the post was in green...

You probably sell more Pilatus's than Pilatus...

chill