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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 19 Dec 2017, 14:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: Yeh, I really didn't get this guy trying to be a jerk to ATC. ATC is your friend and 99% of the time when they ask you to do something inconvenient it's for a safety reason. No win for anyone and lots of risk of something expensive. I wouldn't recommend doing what this jerk did but if he was in class G airspace, I do think it is within your right to cancel IFR. A good refresher on class G airspace: http://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/ ... -airspace/-------- The controller said hold the 010 heading until below 4,000. So anywhere around Austin isn’t that Class E Airspace and not G?
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 19 Dec 2017, 15:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: Yeh, I really didn't get this guy trying to be a jerk to ATC. ATC is your friend and 99% of the time when they ask you to do something inconvenient it's for a safety reason. No win for anyone and lots of risk of something expensive. I wouldn't recommend doing what this jerk did but if he was in class G airspace, I do think it is within your right to cancel IFR. A good refresher on class G airspace: http://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/ ... -airspace/-------- Canceling IFR wasn't the problem. Refusing an ATC instruction while in controlled airspace was. He couldn't have been in Class G.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 19 Dec 2017, 15:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: I have a small skydrol leak coming from the brake reservoir that I am fixing today. I think it's a fitting. Nasty crap, looks like I spilled paint stripper on a spot on the belly by the nose gear. This thing just needed to be used and exercised. I have all the other systems working flawlessly which is shocking really. Be very careful around Skydrol. Can cause some persistent skin rashes (from personal experience) and probably worse.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 19 Dec 2017, 16:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: Yeh, I really didn't get this guy trying to be a jerk to ATC. ATC is your friend and 99% of the time when they ask you to do something inconvenient it's for a safety reason. No win for anyone and lots of risk of something expensive. I wouldn't recommend doing what this jerk did but if he was in class G airspace, I do think it is within your right to cancel IFR. A good refresher on class G airspace: http://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/ ... -airspace/-------- Canceling IFR wasn't the problem. Refusing an ATC instruction while in controlled airspace was. He couldn't have been in Class G.
Yup. If you truly want to do what you want, you can't be talking to a controller. IMO, Jason has it down: 17,500 and no radio.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 19 Dec 2017, 20:21 |
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Username Protected wrote: Michael -
A few questions if you have a moment:
1) What's the full fuel payload? 2) Realistic range at normal cruise speed? 3) What is the normal cruise speed & fuel burn?
Robert Full fuel payload is a tad over 1200lbs, I'm fairly certain the empty weight includes 1 pilot so that's 1,370lbs Realistic range is 1000 ifr and 1100 vfr Tas cruise is 350kts burning 800pph or 120 gph at fl370 It really has pretty decent performance for its price point
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 19 Dec 2017, 20:28 |
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Username Protected wrote: Full fuel payload is a tad over 1200lbs, I'm fairly certain the empty weight includes 1 pilot so that's 1,370lbs
BEW is without pilot(s); BOW is with pilot(s). Considering the 501 can be flown with one pilot or 2 crew I doubt W&B begins with BOW.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 19 Dec 2017, 20:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: Full fuel payload is a tad over 1200lbs, I'm fairly certain the empty weight includes 1 pilot so that's 1,370lbs
BEW is without pilot(s); BOW is with pilot(s). Considering the 501 can be flown with one pilot or 2 crew I doubt W&B begins with BOW.
That makes very logical sense, 1200lbs is more than plenty. I assume the 2 pilot Citations start with BOW?
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 19 Dec 2017, 23:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: I assume the 2 pilot Citations start with BOW? Really you can't assume. You have to read the fine print. Sometimes BEW is used and sometimes BOW is used.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 20 Dec 2017, 12:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: Full fuel payload is a tad over 1200lbs, I'm fairly certain the empty weight includes 1 pilot so that's 1,370lbs
Realistic range is 1000 ifr and 1100 vfr
Tas cruise is 350kts burning 800pph or 120 gph at fl370
It really has pretty decent performance for its price point
Huh. That's pretty impressive. Would love a little more range (I do 1200 or so routinely but two 2 hour legs isn't the worst thing in the world). What's your thought on Thrust Reversers and anti-lock brakes? Seems that about 1/2 the fleet has TRs, but I can't get a handle on how many have anti-lock brakes. Robert
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 20 Dec 2017, 15:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: Full fuel payload is a tad over 1200lbs, I'm fairly certain the empty weight includes 1 pilot so that's 1,370lbs
Realistic range is 1000 ifr and 1100 vfr
Tas cruise is 350kts burning 800pph or 120 gph at fl370
It really has pretty decent performance for its price point
Huh. That's pretty impressive. Would love a little more range (I do 1200 or so routinely but two 2 hour legs isn't the worst thing in the world). What's your thought on Thrust Reversers and anti-lock brakes? Seems that about 1/2 the fleet has TRs, but I can't get a handle on how many have anti-lock brakes. Robert
I thought they all had anti skid brakes but might me wrong.
The TR’s are great for contaminated runways but totally not needed if you operate from clean 5000ft runways. And they are stinking heavy!
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 20 Dec 2017, 23:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: Full fuel payload is a tad over 1200lbs, I'm fairly certain the empty weight includes 1 pilot so that's 1,370lbs
Realistic range is 1000 ifr and 1100 vfr
Tas cruise is 350kts burning 800pph or 120 gph at fl370
It really has pretty decent performance for its price point
Huh. That's pretty impressive. Would love a little more range (I do 1200 or so routinely but two 2 hour legs isn't the worst thing in the world). What's your thought on Thrust Reversers and anti-lock brakes? Seems that about 1/2 the fleet has TRs, but I can't get a handle on how many have anti-lock brakes. Robert
Thrust reversers are amazing, I don't have power or antiskid. I don't think it matters too much for a plane this light.
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