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Post subject: Re: Pc24 in the flesh  Posted: 18 Jul 2017, 18:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: Most PC12's are flown by hired help. Very few are owner operated. Not sure that statement is correct....
I'll have to second that one, PC12 seems to be owner flown quite often.
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Post subject: Re: Pc24 in the flesh Posted: 18 Jul 2017, 22:05 |
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Username Protected wrote:
I'll have to second that one, PC12 seems to be owner flown quite often.
Pilatus says 80% of new sales are going to pro-pilot flow operators. There are still a lot of owner flown ops but with the higher utilization of the pro flown ops, I bet actual utilization hours are about 50/50.
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Post subject: Re: Pc24 in the flesh Posted: 18 Jul 2017, 22:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: The toilet is a slide out design that cuts off the forward bar area, so if someone is using the pooper, no one is getting snacks and once done, you may get to walk through the smell of someones lunch. Is this accurate? Can't imagine the potty is up front. If so, there's money waiting to be made on that STC. Does Pilatus put the outflow valve up front?
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Post subject: Re: Pc24 in the flesh Posted: 19 Jul 2017, 06:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: The toilet is a slide out design that cuts off the forward bar area, so if someone is using the pooper, no one is getting snacks and once done, you may get to walk through the smell of someones lunch. Is this accurate? Can't imagine the potty is up front. If so, there's money waiting to be made on that STC. Does Pilatus put the outflow valve up front?
Not sure about the PC24 but in the PC-12 the outflow valve is under the lav. The design works quite well.
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Post subject: Re: Pc24 in the flesh Posted: 19 Jul 2017, 07:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: Pilatus says 80% of new sales are going to pro-pilot flow operators. +1. It's out of the horses mouth. Michael, you ever get on the POPA forum? Crickets. Yes there are lot of PC12 "owners" but not many "owner operators".
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Post subject: Re: Pc24 in the flesh Posted: 19 Jul 2017, 07:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: Most PC12's are flown by hired help. Very few are owner operated. Not sure that statement is correct....
You two crack me up.
Love your posts and adventures.
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Post subject: Re: Pc24 in the flesh Posted: 19 Jul 2017, 08:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: I bet actual utilization hours are about 50/50. So 50% owner flown and 50% pro pilot?
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Post subject: Re: Pc24 in the flesh Posted: 19 Jul 2017, 08:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: Pilatus says 80% of new sales are going to pro-pilot flow operators. +1. It's out of the horses mouth. Michael, you ever get on the POPA forum? Crickets. Yes there are lot of PC12 "owners" but not many "owner operators".
I would not call Brent a horse but.......... 
Brent's trying to get me on the Popa board, rattle things up a little..........it's definitely quiet, but you do get your questions answered.
....and Crandall still owes my breakfast for not hooking a brother up when in town!!!
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Post subject: Re: Pc24 in the flesh Posted: 19 Jul 2017, 08:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: I would not call Brent a horse but.......... Brent's trying to get me on the Popa board, rattle things up a little..........it's definitely quiet, but you do get your questions answered. ....and Crandall still owes my breakfast for not hooking a brother up when in town!!! Horses Mouth = Pilatus
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Post subject: Re: Pc24 in the flesh Posted: 19 Jul 2017, 08:58 |
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Username Protected wrote: Horses Mouth = Pilatus You need some coffee man  Remember, café cubano, real sweet.............
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Post subject: Re: Pc24 in the flesh Posted: 19 Jul 2017, 12:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: The toilet is a slide out design that cuts off the forward bar area, so if someone is using the pooper, no one is getting snacks and once done, you may get to walk through the smell of someones lunch. Is this accurate? Can't imagine the potty is up front. If so, there's money waiting to be made on that STC. Does Pilatus put the outflow valve up front?
It is, and it's not ideal, but I don't know where else you would put it. The aft portion is the cargo area. It's actually quite a lav compared to most, and my rule is potties are for peepee!
My wife, standing in a Gulfstream...
HER "what did you just call it?"
ME "A potty"
HER "grown men standing in a twenty million dollar airplane saying it has a potty?"
ME "yeah... it is kinda childish isn't it..."
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Post subject: Re: Pc24 in the flesh Posted: 19 Jul 2017, 20:21 |
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Username Protected wrote: I bet actual utilization hours are about 50/50. So 50% owner flown and 50% pro pilot?
I'm confusing myself here.... 50% of the hours. Estimating 50% of the hours are owner flown, 50% pro pilot, a lot of the initial PC12 (legacy birds) sales went to owner operators. I think most owner operators operate legacies vs NGs. There are currently more legacy serial numbers. My data from Pilatus was recent new sales of NGs, not historical. But pro flown operators like Surf Air, Plane Sense, Boutique Air, will drive up the utilization hours on fewer serial numbers (new birds) thus the 50/50 estimate on hours.
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