Mike, just go to Autorouter.eu , login free of charge and see how easy it is to get an IFR route between two airports. I am sure we can set up an A36TN for you, with a copilot.

I suggest you don't, since you've clearly demonstrated that you don't have the right mind-set or it's more than you can handle.

I had no HF radio. The regular radio seemed to work just fine.

Max

Done that.

I get routes that average a waypoint about every 10-15 nm.

A 1 hour flight can have 25 of them. Literally.

It will take me 10 minutes to enter them in the GPS before takeoff, and AFTER engine start.


Who is "we"?

Mike C.

I don't have actual Ops knowledge but I do have some knowledge as a result of research on the topic. Based on reading the reports of ferry pilots and earthrounders, a pilot would not be allowed clearance into Oceanic airspace without establishing communication via HF radio. This is certainly true for Dakar Oceanic and I would think it would also be required for the SAM FIR. Here is the excerpt from the ICAO regulation, annex 2, §3.6.5.1

I think your right Bruce. I have been hoping that the regs change and a garmin over iridium type system would become acceptable. I would rather invest 20k into that than a HF system.

I read about a Pilatus that flew around the world (no HF) only to be grounded in French Polynesia somewhere while he sent for technician to install a HF unit to continue his flight.

Erwin,

In talking with the fellows on the west coast who install the radios and transfer tanks for ferry flights over the Pacific, they scoffed at my idea of doing a permanent install of an HF radio. Even my local avionics shop was willing to work through the FAA issues to do a temporary install of an Icom radio for an oceanic flight. If you could go the Icom radio approach, all the gear (radio, power supply, antenna coupler and antenna) should cost no more than a few thousand and the installation by an avionics shop should be less than 5 AMU.

The least expensive certified HF radio that I know about is the KHF 950 which costs between 20 and 25 AMU's for a used unit and at least 5 AMU's to install. The trouble with the KHF 950 is that it is a very old design and its specifications are not as good as the modern radios available today.

Mike,

Don't worry about the number of waypoints you get in the flightplan. The strategy is to get the flight plan accepted by INPS and file it. On a recent flight from Augsburg in S.Germany, I got cleared almost straight to the german border with Belgium.

In practice you load your departure and destination airport and then use the SID in the Garmin, by the end of the SID you will be cleared to a different waypoint anyway, usually much shorter route.

'We' is my friend whose A36TN needs some more air under its wings. I am his mentor and his brother may need the copilot time. It is EASA registered, TKS, O2 and TN, no tips. My own A36 is out due to the Superior cylinder AD, the cylinders come in next week and I estimate at least three weeks or more before being airborne again.

Dirk - You're wasting your time, like I said, his attitude is NOT in the right place ...

This makes sense! This is exactly what I experienced also while flying between the different countries.

Done that.

I get routes that average a waypoint about every 10-15 nm.

A 1 hour flight can have 25 of them. Literally.

It will take me 10 minutes to enter them in the GPS before takeoff, and AFTER engine start.


Who is "we"?

Mike C.

Just tagging along the end here.

Mike you asked what to do with you MU2 while you are gone. Take the following with a grain of salt and a grin.

Sell your MU2 and buy the jet you want when you get back. You have earned it.

Michael,

Help change my "attitude". Can you fully plan a flight for me?

Flying MU2 with no noise certificate. Departing Thursday 5 pm EGNE, to one of LSGG, LSGL, or LSGS, 2 people, US citizens. Returning to EGNE late Sunday (3 nights parking). Intended actual destination is Aigle, Switzerland to visit friends.

Find specific answers (as in which vendors, costs, limitations, etc) to the following:

Which airport?

Approach fees?

Landing fees?

Noise fines/fees?

Parking fees? Which FBO?

Fuel cost? Which providers?

Handler cost, if any?

Any other fees?

How to arrange customs?

Acceptable route?

Rental car? Any issues with US driver's license?

IFR routing outbound? How to pick up assuming low IMC?

IFR routing return? How to pick up assuming low IMC?

Alternates in case of bad weather?

I asked for such an example here on BT and on EuroGA, and no one did it. I'd learn a lot from a specific example, so help me out.

Mike C.

It is unrealistic to be able to time a sale and purchase with that precision.

If I did sell the MU2 before I left, I would come back and potentially be without business transportation for an indefinite period while I try to find the right airplane. This is not acceptable.

Mike C.

My post said take this with a grain of salt and a smiley face.

I know you are under pressure to get this all figured out but it is time to take a deep breath and smile. There are only about 8 Billion people on this planet what wish that "should I take my twin turbo prop to Europe" was a major concern.

How about a quick trip to Europe and a few flights around with you in the right seat watching the process. Fly over one day fly around for two or three days and come back. Then you would know if you want to do it or not.