BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Dec 2017, 01:02

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So, once you accept that the bulk of the cost of operation of an aircraft is a somewhat fixed, annual cost... and your hourly is really fuel and incidentals the usage starts to make a lot more sense. One of the great benefits of the PC12 and for that matter all turbine singles is fuel burn, understanding that the annual maintenance expense doesn't go up proportionally with usage and it all starts to make sense.

You are absolutely correct. But, the flip side of this is you have to fly a lot of hours per year to make the high fixed costs balance out.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Dec 2017, 03:39

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Turning around in the Commander and it’s just me and my dog I am cool with that.

Steve, mate, that's a damn horse!!!!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Dec 2017, 07:46

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Does anyone have a W&B to compare the PC12 and the 24?

You can download the Pilatus Digital AFM app from the Apple store and get performance data for all PC12s.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pc-12-d ... 06404?mt=8

The Quick Refrence Handbook QRH (emergency procedures) is also available.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pilatus ... 03714?mt=8

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Dec 2017, 09:03

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We can call it the BT-12

:rofl:

Genius

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Dec 2017, 11:06

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........I'm actually working the next few months

Perish the thought..........

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Dec 2017, 11:32

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PC-12s are always on Flightaware because they ONLY do 265kts. Jet pilots are already on the slopes.

Unless they can't get into Aspen because of wind and ice so they divert to Denver and drive 4 hours up.

PC12 is made for the mountains.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Dec 2017, 20:08

SF50 gets 400+ pages and the PC12 dies after 8?

Where's Ciholas!!! :coffee:

I know... it's the Christmas Holiday! All the good BT boys and girls are spending time with their families.

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Dec 2017, 20:24

Chip,

Thats because there is no disputing the power of the PC-12. Not much to argue about. LOL

I spend a lot of time dreaming about buying a PC-12 I just hope that when I can pull the trigger I don't try and go over it and get a jet. Its tempting when spending $2.5-3.0M to buy a nice jet. But then I would not want to fly it as much due to operating cost.

We see PC-12's on the ramp often and I just stare and dream. My wife has to wake me up. Last night I was looking at PC-12's on Controller and she wanted to see what I was looking at. She could not believe the interior of the PC-12. She said we need to figure out how to get one of those. LOL I said yes we do.

Mike

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Dec 2017, 22:21

Specific mission question - Can a PC12 take 5 adults and 4 kids (call it 1,000lbs of human) + a reasonable amount of baggage on a ~700mi trip?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Dec 2017, 22:45

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Specific mission question - Can a PC12 take 5 adults and 4 kids (call it 1,000lbs of human) + a reasonable amount of baggage on a ~700mi trip?

Easily.

Very worst case scenario calc:

7000lbs empty weight
1000lbs human
700mi is around 3 hours, call it 1900lbs in fuel, with reasonable reserves.
In an NG, leaves almost 1000lbs for bags (10450lbs MTOW), and legacy (9921lbs MTOW) (which won't be anywhere near 7000lbs empty weight, they are more like 6600-6700) still 400lbs+++.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 09:22

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Specific mission question - Can a PC12 take 5 adults and 4 kids (call it 1,000lbs of human) + a reasonable amount of baggage on a ~700mi trip?

Easy

The PC12 is indisputable. There's nothing to debate.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 09:28

I've done some long haul flying the last few days with a plane load of people. I think my favorite thing about the Pilatus is the cabin size. There's tons of room for everyone. Nobody has to share space. It's like a flying apartment.

Yesterday, headwinds at FL450 were just as high as they were in the mid 30's. I did my usual CJ3/PC12 flight time comparison on Fltplan.com. The CJ3 still needed to stop for fuel on a 1300NM trip as did the PC12 (because of headwinds). Add the ATC routing for the CJ3 vs. flying VFR direct in the PC12 and the PC12 was faster and burned half the amount of gas vs. the CJ3.