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 Post subject: Re: 2005 TBM 700C2 versus 2008 Cessna Mustang
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Now there is a problem I want to have.

If I had that problem, my first call would be to the insurance man. Getting insured in a TBM seems to be a pretty reasonable project.


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 Post subject: Re: 2005 TBM 700C2 versus 2008 Cessna Mustang
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Any concerns about a second engine?


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Stage length is a defining factor, turboprop or jet.
And the answer is jet...

"It's a jet baby, it doesn't get any better than that!"
Really if the money is okay then the jet. Otherwise, what are the legs you will be flying. A turbprop potentially is a lot less expensive.

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 Post subject: Re: 2005 TBM 700C2 versus 2008 Cessna Mustang
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Kankakee is a great airport. I was based there for 6 years in the nineties. Nice approaches and either plane would work nicely out of that airport.


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 Post subject: Re: 2005 TBM 700C2 versus 2008 Cessna Mustang
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Any concerns about a second engine?


Beyond the cost, no.

Do you already have any jet type ratings ?


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 Post subject: Re: 2005 TBM 700C2 versus 2008 Cessna Mustang
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No type ratings. Russ sorry we never met. We have been based here since 2006. Prior to that we were at KJOT. I realize statistically these planes are very close safety wise. I dunno but I think a little redundancy would make me feel better.


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 Post subject: Re: 2005 TBM 700C2 versus 2008 Cessna Mustang
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No type ratings.


To fly the jet, you'll have to get from your current flying to passing an ATP checkride in a jet for the PIC type-rating.

To fly the TBM, you'll have to pass the insurance prescribed combination of sim and in-plane training.


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 Post subject: Re: 2005 TBM 700C2 versus 2008 Cessna Mustang
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No doubt would be easier to do the single engine training. A friend of mine has a Mustang.......with Fadec seems easier than the TNG36 I currently fly? Totally speaking from a naive perspective.............


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I have a couple of friends in Sedona that fly a Cessna CJ and an older Citation 500 out of Sedona. They both have nothing but good things to say about Cessna's service program. No matter where you are they will have you back in the air in less then 24 hours. There are so many of them flying, service is never an issue.


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No type ratings.


To fly the jet, you'll have to get from your current flying to passing an ATP checkride in a jet for the PIC type-rating.

To fly the TBM, you'll have to pass the insurance prescribed combination of sim and in-plane training.


Someone I know just bought a PC-12. Every insurance company required initial training at Flightsafety or similar as well as annual recurrent training.

The only difference between what they went through and the Mustang training is a checkride with the FAA or a DPE (If you don't think you can handle an ATP checkride, then you don't have any business flying either airplane).

I think it would be crazy for someone to go with a TBM over a Mustang for that reason. (unless you were going self insured, in which case I guess you wouldn't need to go to Flightsafety every year)

If you are going to be operating out of short strips, carrying heavy loads, or need extra long legs, go with the TBM. Otherwise, Mustang wins it.
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No doubt would be easier to do the single engine training. A friend of mine has a Mustang.......with Fadec seems easier than the TNG36 I currently fly? Totally speaking from a naive perspective.............


As others have pointed out you are required to make a greater commitment to training for the Mustang then the TBM. You need to get your type rating, some mentoring, a SP type rating, and annual 61.58 checks. If you want the equivalent level of safety then you should be doing that level of training regardless of aircraft.

Many folks have stepped up from SE Pistons to the Mustang. It is doable and insurance can be had for a reasonable cost. The insurance recognizes you will be flying for a while as crew until you get your SP type rating.

When everything is working it is a simple aircraft to fly. You do have to get used to managing a greater speed range of 80 to 360kts (over 4X) then you have with your Bo. Once you see how well the Mustang flies when it loses one engine you will wonder what your situation would be with the TBM when it loses one engine.

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Penn State? Now that's an interesting town...

However, there is a nice restaurant there, I believe it's the centre city cafe (the one that is on the second story right along college blvd.)?


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What is the single engine performance like in the Mustang?


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