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Post subject: Re: Boeing Has Started Working on a 737 MAX Replacement  Posted: 04 Oct 2025, 10:52 |
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They are still trying to make Charolette work but they have yet to get the quality up to where it's supposed to be. You’re right that Charlotte facility is really struggling especially since it is 200 miles away in a different city called Charleston.
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Post subject: Re: Boeing Has Started Working on a 737 MAX Replacement Posted: 20 Oct 2025, 12:50 |
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About 2000 they decided to keep cheap vs. the Airbus and bragged about just changing the shape if the wing, bigger engines, etc. and no new Certification. Well, IF they'd gone new instead of warmed over, they'd be doing a lot better now.
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Post subject: Re: Boeing Has Started Working on a 737 MAX Replacement Posted: 20 Oct 2025, 13:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: Only 10 years too late. Not for SWA. Like Emirates, SWA drives many design changes and places big orders. The 737NG was only supposed to be a stop-gap airplane between the classic and a new - clean sheet design. SWA came along and ordered the 737NG by the thousands, and they still wanted the dreaded 6-pack efis display w no auto throttles, yep that's what they got. Boeing is in the business to sell airplanes and it's what the customer wanted. Airline pilots love to complain on what an airplane doesn't have but they don't pay the bills.
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Post subject: Re: Boeing Has Started Working on a 737 MAX Replacement Posted: 20 Oct 2025, 15:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: Only 10 years too late. Not for SWA. Like Emirates, SWA drives many design changes and places big orders. The 737NG was only supposed to be a stop-gap airplane between the classic and a new - clean sheet design. SWA came along and ordered the 737NG by the thousands, and they still wanted the dreaded 6-pack efis display w no auto throttles, yep that's what they got. Boeing is in the business to sell airplanes and it's what the customer wanted. Airline pilots love to complain on what an airplane doesn't have but they don't pay the bills.
Continental 737NGs also had 6 pack EFIS for a number of years.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/737tech ... 510662143/
SWA NGs all had auto throttles, they just weren't used right away. They weren't delivered with no auto throttles.
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Post subject: Re: Boeing Has Started Working on a 737 MAX Replacement Posted: 20 Oct 2025, 15:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: I’d go as far to say that Boeing is more like 40 years late on this. When Airbus created the A320 in the early 80s should have been the impetus for Boeing to get off its rear and replace the 737 with a clean-sheet redo. Since it was caught flat footed after the A320 came out, Boeing scrambled to create the NG which was a huge improvement over the classic but still a generation behind the A320 in technology and comfort for both passengers and crew. The Max redesign is again another Band-Aid to a design which was already way passed due. Again, all Airbus had to do was hang geared turbofans on the A320 to create the Neo while Boeing engineers had to, again, go back to do the engineering table with the seemingly impossible task of hanging huge fans on the low-slung 737 to create the Max requiring yet another major redo. Boeing has been leading from behind for far too long now and is getting its butt handed to them by Airbus. Even if Boeing could redesign the 737 in just a few years(and they can’t) they would still be decades behind Airbus who created a scaleable design to fulfill many more roles with minimal pilot training between airframes.
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Post subject: Re: Boeing Has Started Working on a 737 MAX Replacement Posted: 26 Oct 2025, 12:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: About 2000 they decided to keep cheap vs. the Airbus and bragged about just changing the shape if the wing, bigger engines, etc. and no new Certification. Well, IF they'd gone new instead of warmed over, they'd be doing a lot better now. Both Boeing and Douglas followed the same business model of building a new airplane, then keep stretching it, adding bigger engines , until the tail hits the ground on take off; the DC-8 and the 737
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Post subject: Re: Boeing Has Started Working on a 737 MAX Replacement Posted: 26 Oct 2025, 13:00 |
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Username Protected wrote: About 2000 they decided to keep cheap vs. the Airbus and bragged about just changing the shape if the wing, bigger engines, etc. and no new Certification. Well, IF they'd gone new instead of warmed over, they'd be doing a lot better now. Both Boeing and Douglas followed the same business model of building a new airplane, then keep stretching it, adding bigger engines , until the tail hits the ground on take off; the DC-8 and the 737
A321 & A340-600 come to mind.
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Post subject: Re: Boeing Has Started Working on a 737 MAX Replacement Posted: 29 Oct 2025, 01:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: At what point does Boeing stop stretching the 737? They already have, there will be no more models of the 737.
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Post subject: Re: Boeing Has Started Working on a 737 MAX Replacement Posted: 29 Oct 2025, 10:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: Boeing stretching the 37 because "that's what the customer wanted". No. Boeing did it because it offered the most ROI. We know most of what we're going to know about subsonic jetliners. Not much new ground to break.
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Post subject: Re: Boeing Has Started Working on a 737 MAX Replacement Posted: 29 Oct 2025, 11:44 |
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Username Protected wrote: Boeing stretching the 37 because "that's what the customer wanted". No. Boeing did it because it offered the most ROI. We know most of what we're going to know about subsonic jetliners. Not much new ground to break.
Not true at all, but you can bet there will not be a 737/A320 replacement truly launched until there is a compelling business case that offers very measurable gains for the customers from the next break-through technologies. Those technologies will be one or more of:
* more efficient engines
* increased aerodynamic efficiencies/drag reduction
* novel materials and/or fabrication techniques that reduce weight and/or cost dramatically
Those are the main drivers that launch a new airliner program, generally speaking. All of those are currently being worked behind the scenes all of the time at Boeing, Airbus, research/academic entities, engine companies, materials companies, structural component suppliers, etc. When one or more of those have a meaningful advancement AND is ready for production, then it might trigger a new airliner program. A new program does not start just because it has been a few decades since the last one.
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