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Post subject: Re: Mooney's back to work. Take that bichessss :-)  Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 22:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: Word is it will only be for the long body Mooneys, unfortunately. I'm sure it would be cost-prohibitive anyway for the legacy fleet with 200 hp or less anyway.
Makes sense. My 200hp J is "mushy" if it's fully loaded so without doing something to the wing also adding the 400lbs would tricky. Even flying a Bravo fully loaded you can feel it but the extra HP would help. Steve are you a 2900 or 2740? Would be interesting if mid bodies (older J/F) got 2900 with a trailing link gear. Anything above 2900 would be squishy for sure in a 200 hp. Probably would be prohibitively expensive compared to the value of the airframe. But say you had a retrofit for older models that included a trailing link bolt on LG and a retrofit chute without a GW penalty. You’d probably find a market for that. Who am I kidding us Mooney owners are the cheapest bastards out there. I like that they are focusing on parts and incremental improvements using older models / retrofit as a test bed before getting back to building new planes. Seems smart. They should also contract for PMA or OEM parts ala Daher making Airbus parts.
Brad, my J has the 2740 gross weight and I can't get the 2900 lb increase because of the frame support I believe, however it has 1025 UL.
I'm guessing Mooney has too much going on so they won't spend time or money on the older models.
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Post subject: Re: Mooney's back to work. Take that bichessss :-) Posted: 05 Sep 2020, 00:43 |
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No matter how proficient you are, you will want the chute when you're having a bad day. It was brought up in the thread about the ghastly crash of Mark Brandemuehl in a brand new Mooney a year ago: viewtopic.php?f=41&t=168478The believers in proficiency will say that Mark could've made it to runway at Pleasant Valley or stretched to Deer Valley better. Believers in the chute will say that none of this needed to matter. On the topic of the heavier Mooney, I'm undecided. I would absolutely want a chute if possible. But historically, all the weight increases at Mooney were done without any changes to the wing's airfoil, span or area, perhaps with a beefing-up of the spar. This caused it to use more and more runway over time. The current generation needs at least 2,000 ft, 2,500 ft over obstacle by the book. But it's difficult to hit these numbers consistently, impossible in bad weather.
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Post subject: Re: Mooney's back to work. Take that bichessss :-) Posted: 05 Sep 2020, 06:23 |
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Really enjoyed my Mooney Acclaim. I think they have a false reputation on roominess. I am a bigger”ish” guy and my 1000nm commute was always very comfortable. Was very fast, and up in the teens would sip fuel. Sure would like to see the company succeed.
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Post subject: Re: Mooney's back to work. Take that bichessss :-) Posted: 05 Sep 2020, 09:39 |
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That chute is a no-brainer: do it ! See your sales soar.
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Post subject: Re: Mooney's back to work. Take that bichessss :-) Posted: 05 Sep 2020, 10:39 |
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I still believe Mooney could sell a J-equivalent, priced around half a mil.
I know, nuts.
But, a J-sized plane, with 2 doors, an IO390 and a chute. Dynon Certified PFD and autopilot. Still think it’d work. Add incremental volume to production with minimal extra development cost.
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Post subject: Re: Mooney's back to work. Take that bichessss :-) Posted: 05 Sep 2020, 11:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: I still believe Mooney could sell a J-equivalent, priced around half a mil.
I know, nuts.
But, a J-sized plane, with 2 doors, an IO390 and a chute. Dynon Certified PFD and autopilot. Still think it’d work. Add incremental volume to production with minimal extra development cost. Plus an air conditioner.
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Post subject: Re: Mooney's back to work. Take that bichessss :-) Posted: 05 Sep 2020, 15:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: I still believe Mooney could sell a J-equivalent, priced around half a mil.
I know, nuts.
But, a J-sized plane, with 2 doors, an IO390 and a chute. Dynon Certified PFD and autopilot. Still think it’d work. Add incremental volume to production with minimal extra development cost. Plus an air conditioner.
This works, if we stop pretending it's a 4-place plane. Take the rear seats out, use the extra UL for AC/Chute. Dynon PFD/AP and Avidyne nav/comm/gps is brilliant, no Garmin allowed on the panel. Sell it for less than the SR20.
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Post subject: Re: Mooney's back to work. Take that bichessss :-) Posted: 05 Sep 2020, 22:58 |
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Username Protected wrote:
This works, if we stop pretending it's a 4-place plane. Take the rear seats out, use the extra UL for AC/Chute. Dynon PFD/AP and Avidyne nav/comm/gps is brilliant, no Garmin allowed on the panel. Sell it for less than the SR20.
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Just that.
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Post subject: Re: Mooney's back to work. Take that bichessss :-) Posted: 09 Sep 2020, 23:23 |
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Sell only “Rockets” With 2 doors and a chute.
If you can raise the Useful Load by 150-200 lbs, you will Probably match Cirrus if not surpass them.
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Post subject: Re: Mooney's back to work. Take that bichessss :-) Posted: 10 Sep 2020, 02:50 |
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Username Protected wrote:
This works, if we stop pretending it's a 4-place plane. Take the rear seats out, use the extra UL for AC/Chute. Dynon PFD/AP and Avidyne nav/comm/gps is brilliant, no Garmin allowed on the panel. Sell it for less than the SR20.
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Just that.
That already exists, it's called an RV7A.
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Post subject: Re: Mooney's back to work. Take that bichessss :-) Posted: 10 Sep 2020, 09:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: Sell only “Rockets” With 2 doors and a chute.
If you can raise the Useful Load by 150-200 lbs, you will Probably match Cirrus if not surpass them.
Martin A chute adds 60 pounds, and a/c another 50-60 pounds. So you need 120 pounds more gross just to break even with the Cirrus, which already has both. But even with both those included, the Cirrus still has more useful load.
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Post subject: Re: Mooney's back to work. Take that bichessss :-) Posted: 10 Sep 2020, 11:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: A chute adds 60 pounds, and a/c another 50-60 pounds. So you need 120 pounds more gross just to break even with the Cirrus, which already has both.
But even with both those included, the Cirrus still has more useful load. Not as quick though. Airframe is not as strong either. I love Cirrus, but the Mooney is a better built airframe.
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