BeechTalk - BT - PIREP

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Jun 2017, 14:16

Username Protected wrote:

To use the term seriously is ridiculous.

The only thing ridiculous here is $900k for a piston single.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Jun 2017, 18:07

Someone has to buy those 2017 G6 so I can buy one 3 years from now.

Anyone out there, I need a SR22 NA with AC and FIKI but nothing else. Simple paint scheme, white and blue without anything on the vertical tail.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Jun 2017, 18:52

Eugene did a great job comparing his flight in a $900K Cirrus to his 1967 V tail.

A better comparison would be making the same flight back to back with a new G36.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Jun 2017, 20:44

When I was looking for a step up cross country piston I really liked the G36. It met my mission of traveling with a young family a little better than the Cirrus, not to mention that it has a better stick and rudder feel, and I am partial to retract. I was a little disappointed in how hard it was to demo one, or talk with a living human about one, but did get a ride. I had a trial membership on BT way back then, and was surprised by the lack of chatter about the new birds, as compared to COPA. In the end, it was the new FIKI certification of the 22 that took me in that direction, since I fly in a very ice laden part of the country. Had one of the first FIKI birds, actually had it before the FIKI paperwork was complete with the FAA. I really enjoyed the TN22, still had to cancel a fair number of missions for weather, but the anti-ice improved dispatch a good bit.

I guess the Baron is running out of useful load, but surprised that the Bo and even the Baron do not offer factory turbocharging, and that the Bo does not have factory FIKI. Maybe at this point there is no market for a million dollar FIKI Bo, since there does not seem to be a market for the FIKI Cessna TTx, with Cirrus winning that competition. Sure seems like a new factory turbo'd FIKI Bo would be a sweet ride, just needs more useful load for the extra seats, TKS, and turbocharged engine. When we had the third kid we needed 5-6 seats, and again looked at the Baron and the Bo. The only non-pressurized, high flying turbocharged 6-seater out there was the Matrix. So we ended up in that plane. The Matrix has to be one of the most under-rated planes out there. Was one of my favorite planes, but we eventually succumbed to pressurization, mainly due to concerns of keeping the kids oxygenated.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Jun 2017, 21:01

Username Protected wrote:

I never understood the tax depreciation justification. Ultimately you still pay for the plane, you just get a deduction on the depreciation (if any .. thinking PC12 here). It's not like it's free money, like a tax credit on an electric vehicle, for instance.

If you have a business and buy two identical planes, one $450k and the other $900k, at the end of the day your tax bill might be lower with the bigger dollar airplane, but you will have more money in the bank with the cheaper plane.

So if you buy a $900k plane and sell it for $450k, and pay a, let's say, 35% tax rate. You lost $293k on the plane instead of $450k. You'd still be better off buying a $450k plane and selling it for $250k.

flip it over- if I already know I'm buying a 450k plane (or whatever the number is), now if I use it for business (easy for entrepreneurs). I depreciate it over 5-7 years to $0. you just lowered your taxable income substantially.

i'm less optimistic about the real estate example, but even if I paid myself more (because of a larger write-off), I'm ahead.
and if I have to pay depreciation recapture, that's ok too- since I got to use the capital in the interim.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Jun 2017, 21:12

Username Protected wrote:

When I was looking for a step up cross country piston I really liked the G36. It met my mission of traveling with a young family a little better than the Cirrus, not to mention that it has a better stick and rudder feel, and I am partial to retract. I was a little disappointed in how hard it was to demo one, or talk with a living human about one, but did get a ride. I had a trial membership on BT way back then, and was surprised by the lack of chatter about the new birds, as compared to COPA. In the end, it was the new FIKI certification of the 22 that took me in that direction, since I fly in a very ice laden part of the country. Had one of the first FIKI birds, actually had it before the FIKI paperwork was complete with the FAA. I really enjoyed the TN22, still had to cancel a fair number of missions for weather, but the anti-ice improved dispatch a good bit.

I guess the Baron is running out of useful load, but surprised that the Bo and even the Baron do not offer factory turbocharging, and that the Bo does not have factory FIKI. Maybe at this point there is no market for a million dollar FIKI Bo, since there does not seem to be a market for the FIKI Cessna TTx, with Cirrus winning that competition. Sure seems like a new factory turbo'd FIKI Bo would be a sweet ride, just needs more useful load for the extra seats, TKS, and turbocharged engine. When we had the third kid we needed 5-6 seats, and again looked at the Baron and the Bo. The only non-pressurized, high flying turbocharged 6-seater out there was the Matrix. So we ended up in that plane. The Matrix has to be one of the most under-rated planes out there. Was one of my favorite planes, but we eventually succumbed to pressurization, mainly due to concerns of keeping the kids oxygenated.

Charles,

Good analysis.

That's why I found a g36 Bo that was tn with tips, ac and, most importantly, had tks. Looked hard at S22 but not enough useful load and not near as roomy as the Bo with the barn doors. Great utility these past 3 years.

Just this week bought a 58P. The g58 had, in my opinion, no more utility than my Bo. Waited for Ada to tn the G58 but got tired of the wait.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 04 Jun 2017, 08:37

Username Protected wrote:

When I was looking for a step up cross country piston I really liked the G36. It met my mission of traveling with a young family a little better than the Cirrus, not to mention that it has a better stick and rudder feel, and I am partial to retract. I was a little disappointed in how hard it was to demo one, or talk with a living human about one, but did get a ride. I had a trial membership on BT way back then, and was surprised by the lack of chatter about the new birds, as compared to COPA. In the end, it was the new FIKI certification of the 22 that took me in that direction, since I fly in a very ice laden part of the country. Had one of the first FIKI birds, actually had it before the FIKI paperwork was complete with the FAA. I really enjoyed the TN22, still had to cancel a fair number of missions for weather, but the anti-ice improved dispatch a good bit.

I guess the Baron is running out of useful load, but surprised that the Bo and even the Baron do not offer factory turbocharging, and that the Bo does not have factory FIKI. Maybe at this point there is no market for a million dollar FIKI Bo, since there does not seem to be a market for the FIKI Cessna TTx, with Cirrus winning that competition. Sure seems like a new factory turbo'd FIKI Bo would be a sweet ride, just needs more useful load for the extra seats, TKS, and turbocharged engine. When we had the third kid we needed 5-6 seats, and again looked at the Baron and the Bo. The only non-pressurized, high flying turbocharged 6-seater out there was the Matrix. So we ended up in that plane. The Matrix has to be one of the most under-rated planes out there. Was one of my favorite planes, but we eventually succumbed to pressurization, mainly due to concerns of keeping the kids oxygenated.

Charles, check your PMs, please...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 04 Jun 2017, 17:23

Username Protected wrote:

Eugene did a great job comparing his flight in a $900K Cirrus to his 1967 V tail.

A better comparison would be making the same flight back to back with a new G36.

I agree. It's just I don't see Beechcraft/Textron reps giving rides in G36 the same way Cirrus does it...

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