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Post subject: Re: 1/3 share TBM vs B58 Baron Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 23:39 |
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Joined: 12/19/11 Posts: 3308 Post Likes: +1434 Company: Bottom Line Experts Location: KTOL - Toledo, OH
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Username Protected wrote: Good points Don. I'm pretty adept with ice planning- but of course thus far it's just ice avoidance. I agree with your thoughts about TN FIkI = twin FIKi. Just the former will be much higher initial purchase with lower ongoing expense vs the twin. And no, my A36 is NA I think the FIKI TKS option on a TN A36 is $$ well spent (yes $60K is a LOT of $$ to spend on a single option). However, I personally wouldn't spend that $$ unless I had a TN or planned to do TN as well. You've just eliminated one of your 'outs' if you cannot effectively climb above icing conditions. You need lots of 'out' options for icing and excess power and the ability to climb is one very good 'out'. Of the (3) options you have (TKS equip your A36, Baron and 1/3 TBM), I wouldn't even consider the existing NA A36 to be a viable option. If you're really in love with the A36 and wanted to stick with it, a better plan would be to sell yours and wait for a FIKI TKS TN A36 to come on the market. There aren't tons of them but they do show up.
_________________ Don Coburn Corporate Expense Reduction Specialist 2004 SR22 G2
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Post subject: Re: 1/3 share TBM vs B58 Baron Posted: 02 Dec 2016, 21:53 |
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After this weeks trip, 60k seems like a completely appropriate price for FIKI TKS And then there are a couple of minutes where 100k would seem a good price.On a 5 year timeframe, your most economical solution is going to be to trade up to a plane with FIKI TKS and turbo.
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Post subject: Re: 1/3 share TBM vs B58 Baron Posted: 02 Dec 2016, 23:58 |
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Our home airport is an authorized Piper dealership. Would it make sense to put our collective 1.2-1.5 mil into a late model Meridian as opposed to a TBM? Maybe not as fast but just an idea to have on field service?
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Post subject: Re: 1/3 share TBM vs B58 Baron Posted: 03 Dec 2016, 09:44 |
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Joined: 09/02/09 Posts: 8730 Post Likes: +9457 Company: OAA Location: Oklahoma City - PWA/Calistoga KSTS
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Username Protected wrote: Our home airport is an authorized Piper dealership. Would it make sense to put our collective 1.2-1.5 mil into a late model Meridian as opposed to a TBM? Maybe not as fast but just an idea to have on field service? When I was looking a few months ago I analyzed a 1.25 million Piper against a 1.25 million TBM and considered every cost associated with ownership including market deprecation and capital cost on an after tax basis. There was a 10% spread in favor of the Piper. When I did the calculations based on no income tax deductions it was a wash. YMMV. It sounds like you're not buying this plane for business so I don't think you save anything by going to the Piper but you do get a less capable, less comfortable airplane. Having a plane maintained away from home base is a PITA however.
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Post subject: Re: 1/3 share TBM vs B58 Baron Posted: 03 Dec 2016, 09:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: So I drool over MU2s. It all looks great but there is no way I could get insured with 600 hrs and no multi time. As it turns out, TKS can only do incidental ice on my A36 because it's a12V model. I don't want to spend 60k for inadvertent ice protection. I know it's basically similar, but that FIKi distinction is quite valuable flying around the great lakes I bought an MU2 when I had zero multi time and 1k total time. Insurance was 8k for year one. I got my multi and flew with friends for a few months to get to 100hours multi (MU2 sFAR requirement). I got all my mentor pilot time done in a week while doing the MU2 initial. 200 hours in, the plane is costing me 445 an hour to run. That is the sum of every dollar I have paid this far divided by hours flown. I am not counting engine reserves as I have very long time to go. Nice MU2 can be had for 400k or so. Planes performance is roughly the same as a tbm850.
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Post subject: Re: 1/3 share TBM vs B58 Baron Posted: 03 Dec 2016, 21:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: Guy, what airport do you fly into when goimg to Buffalo? Akron 9G3 if I need an instrument approach Lancaster 9G0 if I don't KIAG if I need an alternate
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Post subject: Re: 1/3 share TBM vs B58 Baron Posted: 03 Dec 2016, 23:35 |
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Joined: 08/16/15 Posts: 3715 Post Likes: +5496 Location: Ogden UT
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Username Protected wrote: Our home airport is an authorized Piper dealership. Would it make sense to put our collective 1.2-1.5 mil into a late model Meridian as opposed to a TBM? Maybe not as fast but just an idea to have on field service? The truth is a TBM or Meridian is really not likely to need much service. Pretty much tires and turbine oil between annuals. I guess it would be nice to have a SC there, but in the 900 hours we have flown the Meridian, there has been only one unscheduled service that I can remember. Not a Piper issue, but a bad ignitor lead on the Pratt. Was field replaced on a Sunday in SC. Still made the flight back to Utah that evening. So still at this time I have ha 100% weather and maintenance dispatch reliability.
_________________ Chuck Ivester Piper M600 Ogden UT
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Post subject: Re: 1/3 share TBM vs B58 Baron Posted: 18 Jan 2017, 22:58 |
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Joined: 08/24/12 Posts: 79 Post Likes: +17 Location: Riverside, CA
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Username Protected wrote: Our home airport is an authorized Piper dealership. Would it make sense to put our collective 1.2-1.5 mil into a late model Meridian as opposed to a TBM? Maybe not as fast but just an idea to have on field service? The truth is a TBM or Meridian is really not likely to need much service. Pretty much tires and turbine oil between annuals. I guess it would be nice to have a SC there, but in the 900 hours we have flown the Meridian, there has been only one unscheduled service that I can remember. Not a Piper issue, but a bad ignitor lead on the Pratt. Was field replaced on a Sunday in SC. Still made the flight back to Utah that evening. So still at this time I have ha 100% weather and maintenance dispatch reliability. As I'm sure you're aware, a turboprop is big step up and I would have to agree about the 1/3 partnership input I've seen on your thread. I owned a B-58 for several years with all the bells and whistles. It was/is a great airplane. Cheaper to get in and probably cheaper to operate if something goes wrong on the turboprop. For the 250 mile flights, it will be close on the turboprop... I'd go with my own Baron if I were you.
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