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 Post subject: Re: Cessna 421
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I'm curious how you use your 421. How often are you flying by yourself vs. with passengers? Are many of your trips overnight?

For overnight trips w/ pax, the 421 is truly awesome. I know a former 421 owner who flew just himself most of the time, which seems like incredible overkill to me.


It's a mix, but I probably fly solo more often than not. While it's a bit excessive, there are surprisingly few other airplanes that could do my missions and would be any more cost effective.

We do use the plane as a family station wagon and do as much of our personal travel in it as makes sense. Skis, golf clubs, camping gear, etc, all go with us and we pack absurdly inefficiently when we use the plane. The limiting factor is normally the rental car we get...

I use the plane as a business tool and in that role I'm often alone but occasionally travel with a sales associate.

To give you an idea of how I use the plane, here's a trip I just completed:

Wednesday: Dallas to Ruston, LA for a 10a meeting with a client. Ruston to Atlanta for a business dinner.
Thursday: Atlanta to NC for golf with my parents.
Friday: NC to upstate NY to attend a series of meetings at my alma mater.
Monday: Upstate NY to Pittsburgh for a quick client meeting, then home that afternoon in time to make a Boy Scout meeting.

I made all of my meetings on time and with no mechanical issues at all. Usually I was flying in pressurized/heated/air conditioned comfort in the low 20's and I arrived at my meetings refreshed and relaxed.

Is it cheap as flying a Bonanza or Baron? Heck no, but I've flown Bonanzas and other non-pressurized singles around the country (I used to own a T210) and if you can afford and/or justify it there's just no comparison to the capability of a pressurized twin or turbine aircraft.

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 Post subject: Re: Cessna 421
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The 421 is a roomy airplane. They are nice to ride in the back of, but I personally do not find any of the twin Cessnsas enjoyable to fly. The control harmony is nothing like a Baron.

Also, some of the stuff in this thread is pretty ridiculous. Someone claims "190+ knots on 15GPH per side, " and another "$350 per hour operating costs." :liar: :lol:


My 421C is fine to fly - No, it's not a Bonanza or T28, but who cares? 90% of the time I'm in the flight levels with the auto pilot engaged. It's a traveling airplane, not a local "fun to fly" airplane.

Normal performance for me is 205-215kts (depends on weights and temps) at around 40gph. I think 190 at 30gph is doable, but I've never really tried... Yesterday I was doing around 205 at FL220 at a touch over 38gph since I had to stretch range a little bit (KPIT to KADS against a little headwind - Made it with lots of reserve left).

I currently run ROP in the 421 - Not for any religious reason, just because one of the engines isn't too happy there (I ran LOP in my T210 for years).

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 Post subject: Re: Cessna 421
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Also, some of the stuff in this thread is pretty ridiculous. Someone claims "190+ knots on 15GPH per side, " and another "$350 per hour operating costs."



Uhhh, I could find some of the past JPI downloads... and there is the Flightaware data.


oh, I see, last flight was filed for 200 knots...

Grin

It wasn't easy, and took effort to get everything set up.


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I hear this all the time, that a 421 flys like a truck............. I had an S35 that I flew for about 800 hours and got my instrument rating. Then I owned a D55 Baron that I flew for a thousand hours. A nice airplane I must add. Then I had a 58TC Baron that I owned for about 12years and flew about 1600 hours.......... Now I have a 1974 BE35 and a 1975 421B. I have about 450 hours in the 421 in the last 3 1/2 years. ....... My 421 is absolutely a joy to fly!! I enjoy flying this ship as much or more than any of the Beechcraft airplanes I have ever owned, including the one I have now.
I have long suspected the comments about the 421 and how it flys are probably coming from a position of envy.


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