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 Post subject: FS: 500 gallon fuel trailer
PostPosted: 02 Feb 2025, 21:01 
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Wells Cargo enclosed trailer with 500 gallon gasoline tank that has never had ethanol in it. 12 volt pump (14 gal per minute), meter, filter and 20 foot hose with nozzle. All in good condition $5200. Located in Reno, Nevada. Contact Lew Gage <lewgagereno@gmail.com>


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 Post subject: Re: FS: 500 gallon fuel trailer
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I'm going to guess that I need some special permit to haul it with actual gas, right?


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Hmm

Did he say it included fuel ?

Transportation of fuel is different in each state, reference the markings required and or state to state transport.

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 Post subject: Re: FS: 500 gallon fuel trailer
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It all depends on how you use the rig. The ideal usage would be for someone that has a few acres at their hangar that has a runway is to park the fuel trailer next to the hangar and fuel the airplane from the trailer and have a fuel distributor deliver fuel to the trailer when needed. I know of several people that do it like that. For the several fuelers I have I always went to the distributor and hauled the fuel away from there to the airplane. At one time I used a 1968 VW Bug that has (I still have it) two extra fuel tanks, 12 volt pump, meter, filter, 15 foot hose and it is all concealed. Standing outside the car there was nothing that would indicate it had such installed. I could pump 42 gallons out of that VW and still drive it 50 miles to the gas station. When I would pump 42 gallons into that Bug the service station attendant would think he had not reset the pump. I would say, "no they all hold that, you just have to read the manual to find out how that works."

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 Post subject: Re: FS: 500 gallon fuel trailer
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I have a set of pictures of the trailer and the installed fuel tank and pump, meter, filter, hose, etc. If you would like to see those send me an Email address and I will send them to you.

Regards, Lew Gage <lewgagereno@gmail.com>


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In corresponding with a number of people regarding this fueler they want to know why it is an unvented fuel tank. The reason is because fuel, especially auto gas, will keep its good condition for very long periods of time if the tank is not vented to the atmosphere. In other words, sealed from allowing the fuel vapors escape into the atmosphere. Of course, if some smaller volume of fuel (maybe 20+/- gallons) is pumped from the tank the fuel vapor above the liquid is enough so the swing check valve at the pressure gauge does not open to admit any air as the fuel is being pumped. If a slight vacuum were to develop while pumping fuel then the swing check valve would open and admit enough air to cancel the slight vacuum condition. The tank usually remains with about 1 to 2 PSI pressure in it at all or most all times. I have never seen more than 2 PSI in the tank during hot weather. Sometimes after pumping fuel the tank pressure is zero for a few hours after finishing pumping fuel and will then slowly produce 1 +/_ PSI in a few hours. That low pressure is the result of the trailer being painted white and also the tank being white and the trailer well ventilated. All of the fuelers I have or had (several) have had unvented tanks with the tanks protected from being in the direct sunshine by being enclosed in some way. And everything painted white, which makes a big difference.

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The maximum gallonage that can be hauled over the road, without a HazMat certificate, is 119 gallons. This trailer is intended to be a stationary gasoline storage unit, not a 500 gallon over the road transportation tank. I used it as a storage unit that would be parked at the place where the equipment needing fuel would be fueled or the fuel pumped into a smaller fuel vehicle (100 gallons) that then went to, in my case, an airplane. Most fuel suppliers will deliver fuel to a stationary fuel storage tank. A 100 gallon, or smaller capacity, fuel trailer works well when fueled from this 500 gallon tank and then taken to, in my case, an airplane.

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" At one time I used a 1968 VW Bug that has (I still have it) two extra fuel tanks, 12 volt pump, meter, filter, 15 foot hose and it is all concealed. Standing outside the car there was nothing that would indicate it had such installed. I could pump 42 gallons out of that VW and still drive it 50 miles to the gas station. When I would pump 42 gallons into that Bug the service station attendant would think he had not reset the pump. I would say, "no they all hold that, you just have to read the manual to find out how that works."

:D Very funny.


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This tank and trailer would be perfect for a rancher that has a runway and airplane that can run on car gas or just a storage for having a supply of fuel for the tractors or other equipment.


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Most fuel suppliers will deliver fuel to a stationary fuel storage tank. A 100 gallon, or smaller capacity, fuel trailer works well when fueled from this 500 gallon tank and then taken to, in my case, an airplane.

Regards, Lew Gage



That is correct. For anyone interested in having this tank filled with Avgas make sure you contact your local avgas supplier first and have a talk with them. A friend and I bought a fuel truck form a nearby FBO. We first contacted our local fuel supplier and they said they would bring the semi truck to us and fill it. Then when we went to order the gas they wouldn't fill it. They said it didn't meet all the specs for containment, etc. meaning if it isn't a fixed tank on the ground they won't touch it.
At our annual Montana Aviation Conference this weekend I talked with another fuel service and they said the same thing. They wouldn't get anywhere near a typical FBO type truck with their semi truck.
Car gas jobbers have no problem filling the truck though. They'll even fill the tank from the top if you want, something the avgas guys would just laugh at you about.
Also ask the avgas suppliers how long they think avgas stays fresh for. You will be surprised.

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Most fuel suppliers will deliver fuel to a stationary fuel storage tank. A 100 gallon, or smaller capacity, fuel trailer works well when fueled from this 500 gallon tank and then taken to, in my case, an airplane.

Regards, Lew Gage



That is correct. For anyone interested in having this tank filled with Avgas make sure you contact your local avgas supplier first and have a talk with them. A friend and I bought a fuel truck form a nearby FBO. We first contacted our local fuel supplier and they said they would bring the semi truck to us and fill it. Then when we went to order the gas they wouldn't fill it. They said it didn't meet all the specs for containment, etc. meaning if it isn't a fixed tank on the ground they won't touch it.
At our annual Montana Aviation Conference this weekend I talked with another fuel service and they said the same thing. They wouldn't get anywhere near a typical FBO type truck with their semi truck.
Car gas jobbers have no problem filling the truck though. They'll even fill the tank from the top if you want, something the avgas guys would just laugh at you about.
Also ask the avgas suppliers how long they think avgas stays fresh for. You will be surprised.



Not sure what your point is. Although you are needing 100LL for your airplane I am talking about using car gas that has no ethanol in it. Such as engines that are installed in REAL BONANZAS (E series engines) or in the ranch dump truck or hay mower. This tank is set up so car gas will store for very long times with no change in the fuel as would happen in a vented tank. Plenty of ranches have need for this size fuel storage.
Regards, Lew Gage

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" At one time I used a 1968 VW Bug that has (I still have it) two extra fuel tanks, 12 volt pump, meter, filter, 15 foot hose and it is all concealed. Standing outside the car there was nothing that would indicate it had such installed. I could pump 42 gallons out of that VW and still drive it 50 miles to the gas station. When I would pump 42 gallons into that Bug the service station attendant would think he had not reset the pump. I would say, "no they all hold that, you just have to read the manual to find out how that works."

:D Very funny.

I like your VW method better than mine


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" At one time I used a 1968 VW Bug that has (I still have it) two extra fuel tanks, 12 volt pump, meter, filter, 15 foot hose and it is all concealed. Standing outside the car there was nothing that would indicate it had such installed. I could pump 42 gallons out of that VW and still drive it 50 miles to the gas station. When I would pump 42 gallons into that Bug the service station attendant would think he had not reset the pump. I would say, "no they all hold that, you just have to read the manual to find out how that works."

:D Very funny.

I like your VW method better than mine




Dear Jeff,

You would do yourself a favor if you painted that red tank with a gloss white, especially if the pickup is parked outside with the sun shining on it. If the tank is vented the white color will decrease the venting of fuel which changes the fuel in composition.

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Hi Lew,

Tank is not vented and is never outdoors except the drive to the corner station.
But yes I take your point, and if I ever paint it again, it will be white


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