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Post subject: Thinking of selling: 1970 A36 E202 Posted: 27 Jul 2025, 21:47 |
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Joined: 08/20/11 Posts: 123 Post Likes: +80 Location: Newcastle, WA
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Hello all, thinking of selling my 1970 A36 N3704A E202 to get a PA46 Piston (Malibu/Mirage). First plane, and I did not fully know my mission. Have been taking long XC’s from the west coast to TN, AZ, FL, and beyond. On oxygen above 10k and want to step up to pressurization, light FIKI, and higher altitudes to get above the weather. In a perfect world, would find the new plane, then sell my plane on contingency. Not sure what the current market value is, so wanted to post here to get some ideas (looking at controller):
Plane: 1970 Beechcraft A36 Bonanza E-202 No damage history Full Logbooks IFR certified
Airframe: TT - 5735 Basic Empty Weight - 2275 Useful load: 1325 STC for Obsborne Tip Tanks raising Useful load
Engine: Continental IO550B Engine Time – 1502 STOH – 530 TBO 1700 (200hrs remaining) All compression in 70’s GAMI Balanced Injectors BDS cooling kit
Prop: McCauley C409 Prop Time – 1502 3 Blade
Avionics: Dynon Sykview HDX – Dual 10” Screens PFD/MFD Full EIS, Fuel Totalizer, Tank sensors, EGT/CHT, Geo-Referenced charts/approach plates Dynon Autopilot (2 axis) Dynon Comm Dynon Panel NGT9000+ ADS-B In/Out with displayed Traffic/Wx and Diversity (flights into Canada) IFD540 PS Engineering PMA450C Audio Panel (BT)
Misc: Osborne Tip tanks with STC for gross weight increase (Total fuel 114 gal) Mountain High 2 person oxygen system & tank Excellent Paint – Jaguar modeled Forward Facing Seats (see pictures). I have the 3rd row seats and front row headrests Passenger rudder pedals fold down Have both the throw over yoke and the dual/hammerhead yoke Dual USB-A/USB-C charger ports LEMO and Dual headset Pilot & Copilot. Dual ports for the remaining 4 seats
Looking online I seem comps from $260-425k?!? I know the plane is older and getting close to TBO (which is one of the things I’m debating, selling before or doing OH but then upgrading this Fall ~ Summer 2026). What do people think: $275-325k? Higher / lower?? I think some of the comps I see are overpriced and others seem like they are giving the plane away… Going to cross post in the general plane forum too (is that allowed?).
Thanks in advance
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Post subject: Re: Thinking of selling: 1970 A36 E202 Posted: 28 Jul 2025, 11:14 |
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Joined: 03/17/18 Posts: 562 Post Likes: +318 Location: KDAY
Aircraft: BE36
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Username Protected wrote: Sydney, Nice looking bonanza. I upgraded from a A36 to a meridian. There will be contrarian opinions out there, but if I was you, I'd consider TN'ing your bird, putting on TKS and getting AC.
I love the meridian, have no time in a piston PA46, but I have described the transition from the A36TN to the Meridian as a sideways move, not necessarily upgrade. It's definitely more expensive.
Feel free to reach out, can you swing a M600? that would be an upgrade..... Love hearing this feedback, thanks for sharing!
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Post subject: Re: Thinking of selling: 1970 A36 E202 Posted: 28 Jul 2025, 11:20 |
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Joined: 02/27/19 Posts: 577 Post Likes: +304 Company: OwnShip Technology AG Location: Zurich, Switzerland
Aircraft: C33/P32R
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Username Protected wrote: Sydney, I have described the transition from the A36TN to the Meridian as a sideways move, not necessarily upgrade. Interesting, how can pressurization, boots, radar, turbine ease operation not be considered an upgrade? Honestly interested if you care to elaborate.
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Post subject: Re: Thinking of selling: 1970 A36 E202 Posted: 28 Jul 2025, 13:12 |
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Joined: 09/09/12 Posts: 2468 Post Likes: +575 Company: Benjamin Law Firm
Aircraft: Meridian
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Boots suck that's a minus.
Radar is good, but I don't get that close to the thunderstorms out west. Turbine does make it easier to dodge and the last time I used radar to pick through a section, an American flight diverted a hundred miles and beat me to El Paso. Diversion would not have been different in an A36 as I descended to 12,000 and slowed and the meridian and A36 both go the same speed at that altitude with slowing for turbulence. Some other knucklehead that day went slightly different route at altitude and reported Severe turbulence. I thought Duh, it was red! So it was helpful for confirmation of the stupidity to go that route.
As a side note, the meridian is easy to transition to from the A36 because the IAS speeds are almost exactly the same in all phases. It's just True at 28K that is much better.
Turbine ease is exponentially better! My wife laughs because I no longer fiddle with prop, mixture all day long. Meridian is great without prop lever. Nothing to mess with.
Pressurization is better, wife loves it, O2 did not bother me as much. The AC in the meridian is better than nothing, but it's like my old truck, not my wife's new Audi.
Range is horrible compared to A36 with tips. That's probably my biggest gripe as the extra 60 knots (190 v. 250) are eaten up on long trips by stops. As has been said, tips are the fastest speed mod out there.
Would I go back to the A36TN? Probably, right now, not so much.
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Post subject: Re: Thinking of selling: 1970 A36 E202 Posted: 28 Jul 2025, 18:45 |
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Joined: 04/13/18 Posts: 217 Post Likes: +175
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I made this same change and my insurance costs were 3x and my other costs about 6x (maintained mirage at best shop in country). If you can afford the cap cost I’d skip the piston and get the turboprop. Costs are really similar except for hots.
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Post subject: Re: Thinking of selling: 1970 A36 E202 Posted: 28 Jul 2025, 22:21 |
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Joined: 03/03/16 Posts: 110 Post Likes: +85 Location: Wichita Falls, TX
Aircraft: Bonanza A36
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Let the buyer change the engine when it tells him it's due, not when some fairly arbitrary number says so. He'll feel good about the discount; you won't be tied up waiting for an engine to be swapped, and he may fly it for another 1000 hrs. Win-win.
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Post subject: Re: Thinking of selling: 1970 A36 E202 Posted: 29 Jul 2025, 00:59 |
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Joined: 08/20/11 Posts: 123 Post Likes: +80 Location: Newcastle, WA
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Username Protected wrote: Sydney, Nice looking bonanza. I upgraded from a A36 to a meridian. There will be contrarian opinions out there, but if I was you, I'd consider TN'ing your bird, putting on TKS and getting AC.
I love the meridian, have no time in a piston PA46, but I have described the transition from the A36TN to the Meridian as a sideways move, not necessarily upgrade. It's definitely more expensive.
Feel free to reach out, can you swing a M600? that would be an upgrade..... I can NOT afford a M600  I've looked at the Meridian and the TMB700 series. The Meridian seems to have a horrible useful load with full fuel (2000-2001) and acceptable for 2002+ models. The TMB700 series looks very attractive, and while I could 'just' afford to acquire, i don't think I can afford to maintain and operate it lol. The PA46 piston seem like a good trade off for my current budget. If I had the money, turbine all the way.
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Post subject: Re: Thinking of selling: 1970 A36 E202 Posted: 29 Jul 2025, 01:05 |
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Joined: 08/20/11 Posts: 123 Post Likes: +80 Location: Newcastle, WA
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Username Protected wrote: I made this same change and my insurance costs were 3x and my other costs about 6x (maintained mirage at best shop in country). If you can afford the cap cost I’d skip the piston and get the turboprop. Costs are really similar except for hots. Really?? Thanks for the info. I have looked at the Meridian and TBM700 series. I could just afford to acquire, but doubt I could afford the maintenance and operational costs (at this time). The Meridian has IMHO horrible useful load with full fuel and a range of 885nm. The TMB700 series looks more appealing but more maintenance and cost. The other option is to wait about 5-8 years and I can afford the Turbine... But thought the PA46 piston would be a good step up I can afford today, get me into the flight levels, and build more time. I'm on the PMOPA group too, and most quote operational costs less than 6x (but maybe were not doing as good maintenance as you)
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Post subject: Re: Thinking of selling: 1970 A36 E202 Posted: 30 Jul 2025, 09:18 |
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Joined: 11/20/14 Posts: 6824 Post Likes: +5029
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If you’re seeing 100k variance in comparable selling prices, it might pay to have a broker sell it for you. Their job is to have the price dialed in a lot closer and get you the most money on a reasonable timeline.
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Post subject: Re: Thinking of selling: 1970 A36 E202 Posted: 30 Jul 2025, 12:06 |
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Joined: 06/21/21 Posts: 14 Post Likes: +1 Location: Fargo, nd
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Sorry if I missed it, does yours have baggage mod? That's important for many buyers.
If light ice is your mission, it's hard to argue against TKS and TN. You already have tips and 550 and panel. There's a reason those with all 3 don't sit on market long. (400k+/-) Robust airframe, prodigious useful load, only downside is O2. There I would suggest a concentrator from Inogen. Never needs to filled. Good for 2 people.
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Post subject: Re: Thinking of selling: 1970 A36 E202 Posted: 31 Jul 2025, 21:52 |
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Username Protected wrote: I need to reconsider my imminent retirement plans. My more than generous offer still stands on your airplane, from the last A36 you were drooling over.............. 
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