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Post subject: FS: 2013 Turbo G36 w/TKS, Air, Oxygen, Millenium Int., 730TT Posted: 26 Feb 2025, 03:57 |
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Joined: 03/31/09 Posts: 789 Post Likes: +723 Company: Aircraft Associates LLC Location: Minocqua, WI (KARV)
Aircraft: 1979 Bonanza V35B
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Be advised, the buyers premium has been dropped on this airplane. Every now and then, in our ongoing search for off-market Bonanzas, we run across a truly exceptional pre-owned airplane and such is the case with this 2013 G36 Bonanza. A two owner, no damage G36 with only 730TT since new, it truly has almost everything in after-market performance equipment that can be added to the aircraft...a Garmin G1000 flight deck w/ a GFC700 Integrated Flight Control System, a TAT Whirlwind III w/ Rammer II induction turbo-normalizing system, TKS weeping wing deice system w/ hot prop, digital air conditioning, built-in oxygen, satellite weather w/ XM stereo, TAWS-B ground proximity, a Millennium interior with beautiful accent lighting, and impeccable aircraft records. Add to that SynVis, SafeTaxi, ChartView, BDS Baffles, LSI LEDS, B&C Standby Alternator, copilot brakes... the list goes on and on. And with 114 gallons of useable fuel from the Osborne 20 gallon tip tanks, you can cruise in the flight levels non-stop over 1,100 NM at 75% power and over 1400 NM in economy cruise... the 4000 lb gross weight increase ensures your ability to carry the fuel you need for your trip. If you're looking for perhaps the finest pre-owned, go everywhere, do everything G36 we've ever seen, this is your airplane. And like all of the aircraft we purchase for contract buyers, prebuy inspection oversight and delivery to your home airport are always part of our service. Complete photos and spec sheet details are available at Aircraft Associates at the following weblink: https://www.aircraftassociates.com/n910bf/For additional information on this exceptional Turbo G36, contact Nick Africano by phone at (312) 237-1088 or email him at nafricano@aircraftassociates.com. Asking price: $945,000 OBO. There is no buyers premium on this airplane.
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_________________ Randy Africano Aircraft Associates http://www.aircraftassociates.com Cell: (309) 208-4581
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Post subject: Re: FS: 2013 Turbo G36 w/TKS, Air, Oxygen, Millenium Int., 7 Posted: 26 Feb 2025, 12:29 |
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Joined: 03/31/09 Posts: 789 Post Likes: +723 Company: Aircraft Associates LLC Location: Minocqua, WI (KARV)
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Username Protected wrote: Really nice airplane! I've never seen the buyer pay the broker fee though, that's normally on the seller who chose to use a broker... Justin, we typically represent buyers that contract with us to locate, appraise, inspect, approve and deliver their off-market aircraft. Unless specifically requested, we never charge a seller to market their airplane as we have customers willing to pay for our service and our expertise. In this particular case, we did not have a contract buyer looking for a late model G36 so we made the airplane available to the BeechTalk community. We place millions of dollars worth of high quality airplanes with our contract buyers each year; airplanes that never make it to the public market. Our clients are discerning, they know what they want, and we fulfill their purchase requests for exceptional airplanes without the competitive pressure that often accompanies a public sale. And as anyone who's ever traveled the country only to find airplanes misrepresented by a seller will attest, there's value in a service that specializes in aircraft in which the sales representative is knowledgable, knows the market and has ownership experience. Both Neil Schwartz and myself fall into this category but yes I would agree it's a backwards business model and certainly not for everyone. I hope this adds clarity for you.
_________________ Randy Africano Aircraft Associates http://www.aircraftassociates.com Cell: (309) 208-4581
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Post subject: Re: FS: 2013 Turbo G36 w/TKS, Air, Oxygen, Millenium Int., 7 Posted: 26 Feb 2025, 14:42 |
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Username Protected wrote: Really nice airplane! I've never seen the buyer pay the broker fee though, that's normally on the seller who chose to use a broker... Justin, we typically represent buyers that contract with us to locate, appraise, inspect, approve and deliver their off-market aircraft. Unless specifically requested, we never charge a seller to market their airplane as we have customers willing to pay for our service and our expertise. In this particular case, we did not have a contract buyer looking for a late model G36 so we made the airplane available to the BeechTalk community. We place millions of dollars worth of high quality airplanes with our contract buyers each year; airplanes that never make it to the public market. Our clients are discerning, they know what they want, and we fulfill their purchase requests for exceptional airplanes without the competitive pressure that often accompanies a public sale. And as anyone who's ever traveled the country only to find airplanes misrepresented by a seller will attest, there's value in a service that specializes in aircraft in which the sales representative is knowledgable, knows the market and has ownership experience. Both Neil Schwartz and myself fall into this category but yes I would agree it's a backwards business model and certainly not for everyone. I hope this adds clarity for you.
Thanks Randy, when approached by a buyer to find a plane it makes perfect sense, when you're brokering a plane it doesn't, the seller should pay. Of course that's my opinion and I'm not buying the plane so my opinion matters exactly none, just expressing it to provoke thought and let you know that that's off-putting to a buyer. I'd just add that into the price of the plane and handle it on the back end if that's the way you are being paid.
Apologies for mucking up your thread
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Post subject: Re: FS: 2013 Turbo G36 w/TKS, Air, Oxygen, Millenium Int., 7 Posted: 26 Feb 2025, 19:05 |
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Paying for true expertise and experience is usually a bargain:)
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Post subject: Re: FS: 2013 Turbo G36 w/TKS, Air, Oxygen, Millenium Int., 7 Posted: 27 Feb 2025, 22:26 |
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Joined: 06/25/08 Posts: 5767 Post Likes: +594 Company: Latitude Aviation Location: Los Angeles, CA (KTOA)
Aircraft: 2007 Bonanza G36
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Username Protected wrote: Justin, we typically represent buyers that contract with us to locate, appraise, inspect, approve and deliver their off-market aircraft. Unless specifically requested, we never charge a seller to market their airplane as we have customers willing to pay for our service and our expertise. In this particular case, we did not have a contract buyer looking for a late model G36 so we made the airplane available to the BeechTalk community.
We place millions of dollars worth of high quality airplanes with our contract buyers each year; airplanes that never make it to the public market. Our clients are discerning, they know what they want, and we fulfill their purchase requests for exceptional airplanes without the competitive pressure that often accompanies a public sale. And as anyone who's ever traveled the country only to find airplanes misrepresented by a seller will attest, there's value in a service that specializes in aircraft in which the sales representative is knowledgable, knows the market and has ownership experience. Both Neil Schwartz and myself fall into this category but yes I would agree it's a backwards business model and certainly not for everyone. I hope this adds clarity for you. I apologize in advance for the thread drift as I know this isn't my thread but since my name was mentioned in the underlined/bolded portion of the above post (emphasis mine), I wanted to clarify my agency role in the aircraft transaction as an aircraft broker. I fully recognize that I may be misunderstanding Randy's post above as it relates to me (and if so, I apologize) but for clarity, I offer 2 separate and distinct services to my clients. The first service is a seller's representation service where aircraft owners hire me to market and sell their aircraft on their behalf. In this role, I travel to the owner's location and take photos of the aircraft and its logbooks. I review the photos and logbooks/records, build the spec sheet, and then place advertisements on Controller, BeechTalk, etc. I then handle the sales transaction from listing through closing. In this scenario, my fiduciary responsibility is solely to the seller and he pays me at closing. The other service I offer is a buyer's representation (acquisition consultant) service. In this role I work directly for the buyer and help him decide what aircraft is best for his mission and then I go out and search for the best possible candidate for him - generally on the open retail market but there are times where off-market opportunities present themselves as well. In this situation I vet the various options, read their logbooks/records, make the offer on behalf of the buyer, and draft/review the purchase agreement. I then arrange the pre-purchase evaluation, test flight, escrow, and closing in a sales tax friendly location. In this scenario, my fiduciary responsibility is solely to the buyer and he pays me at closing. To summarize, if I am working for the seller, the seller pays me and if I am working for the buyer, the buyer pays me. -Neal
_________________ Latitude Aviation Specializing in sales/acquisitions services for Bonanzas, Barons, and TBM's
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Post subject: Re: FS: 2013 Turbo G36 w/TKS, Air, Oxygen, Millenium Int., 7 Posted: 27 Feb 2025, 22:41 |
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Joined: 03/31/09 Posts: 789 Post Likes: +723 Company: Aircraft Associates LLC Location: Minocqua, WI (KARV)
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Username Protected wrote: To summarize, if I am working for the seller, the seller pays me and if I am working for the buyer, the buyer pays me.
-Neal Exactly... Neal I was trying to pay you a compliment.
_________________ Randy Africano Aircraft Associates http://www.aircraftassociates.com Cell: (309) 208-4581
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Post subject: Re: FS: 2013 Turbo G36 w/TKS, Air, Oxygen, Millenium Int., 7 Posted: 28 Feb 2025, 00:50 |
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Joined: 07/27/16 Posts: 227 Post Likes: +89 Location: Seattle, WA
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Randy - I think the confusion is because of this: Quote: Asking price: $945,000* OBO. *Plus buyers premium of %6 of the final sale price or $35,000, whichever is less.
To me, that makes it sound like if I came to you to buy this beautiful airplane, I'd be paying $945,000 + min($35,000, 6%) = $980,000. Usually that would be advertised as $980k outright.
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Post subject: Re: FS: 2013 Turbo G36 w/TKS, Air, Oxygen, Millenium Int., 7 Posted: 28 Feb 2025, 05:54 |
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I think referencing Neal in this example is doing him a disservice rather than paying him a compliment.
I have used Neal to help sell my planes and to help buy some. In both cases, he represented only me.
This sounds like you are selling the plane but also charging a buyer’s fee on top, which Neal does not do.
I hate distracting from the beautiful plane and I wish the seller the best of luck, but I don’t see any similarities with the fee arrangement noted in the ad and how Neal conducts business.
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Post subject: Re: FS: 2013 Turbo G36 w/TKS, Air, Oxygen, Millenium Int., 7 Posted: 28 Feb 2025, 07:32 |
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It's a beautiful airplane, GLWS
_________________ Blue Skies and Brisk Tailwinds Todd Hardin
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Post subject: Re: FS: 2013 Turbo G36 w/TKS, Air, Oxygen, Millenium Int., 7 Posted: 28 Feb 2025, 10:14 |
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Joined: 05/23/19 Posts: 551 Post Likes: +195 Location: Northern Nevada
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Buyers premiums are normal at Barrett-Jackson and Heritage Auctions (currency). It covers staffing, facility, transportation and television costs. Anywhere from 10-30%. The last rare currency I bought had a premium of 30%. Never seen this when selling an airplane. It just appears that the seller is wanting the buyer to pay his listing commission for him. Which is perfectly fine if the buyer is happy with the overall price.
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Bryce Bohlander
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Post subject: Re: FS: 2013 Turbo G36 w/TKS, Air, Oxygen, Millenium Int., 7 Posted: 28 Feb 2025, 22:16 |
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If I were stepping into this transaction as the buyer I wouldn’t view the listing broker as representing me in any form or fashion. He is representing the seller. This is like a real estate transactions in my opinion. No matter which column the fees show up on the closing statement in an arms length transaction where the buyer pays no more than what something is worth the transaction fees reduce what the seller ultimately puts in their pocket.
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Post subject: Re: FS: 2013 Turbo G36 w/TKS, Air, Oxygen, Millenium Int., 7 Posted: 01 Mar 2025, 01:24 |
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This has to be a troll by Randy right?
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