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I am a new member to BeechTalk. I own a '91 F33A. In June my family is moving from NYC to Kentfield, California. I will be flying my F33A out, and it will be my first trip across the country. I appreciate any tips, especially on take-out off and landings into high density altitude airports. My flight plan is basically V6 most of the way, and will try and make Cheyenne Wyoming or Scottsbluff Neb on the first day. Day 2 - fuel stops in Ogden UT and Sacramento Ca. For the near future I will be flying out of Gnoss Field in Marin County.

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Andy,
Welcome to BeechTalk.

I've flown from Florida to California a couple times; it's great fun, but requires lots of planning. If you haven't flown over the really big rocks in the past, special attention is needed.

Oh, and it's pretty much required that you now post some pictures of your F33A... :D

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Andy,

Welcome to BT! All our F33A trips to California have been over the southern route, but I have flown to Wyoming in our Cessna. My suggestion would be to spend some time along the way. You are going to be traversing some truly spectacular real estate.

As a baby pilot with a year old PPL and a 172 I had owned for a few months, I received my best lesson in density altitude departing Cheyenne on a warm afternoon. We climbed to about 50' feet over the big long runway and holding best climb speed, the VSI settled to 0 fpm :bugeye: We eventually coaxed the plane up to 11,500 for the flight up to Casper, but those first few minutes were really interesting.

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Welcome aboard Andrew!
If this is your first trip across the country and mountains, I would suggest you do it alone. Don't take passengers. You want to carry oxygen. I would recommend 14K as the minimum altitude. Pay particular attention to the winds aloft. Strong winds out of the west will surly get your attention. My suggestion would be to cross the highest terrain during the early morning hours, just as the sun is coming up. That's when you have the greatest chance of getting a good ride across the rocks. :thumbup:

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And, for the mountains, you can buy a book:
http://www.mountainflying.com/

or

you can read about suggested routes:
http://www.aopa.org/asf/wx/mountain.html

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you can take an online course:
http://flash.aopa.org/asf/mountainFlying/html/flash.cfm?

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read the FAA's tips on mountain flying:
http://www.wildfirelessons.net/documents/FAA_Tips_on_Mountain_Flying.pdf

or

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Thanks for the suggestions. I will be flying by myself. My wife and four year daughter will be taking United. I read the aopa article on mountain flying and I found it helpful. I still need to figure out the appropriate mixture settings. I going to the airport tonight and grab the POH.


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unless you just wanna see a lot of mountains, i would head to Texas and then cross around Palmdale then up the central valley to Marin County. It will be one hell of a lot smoother and you won't have to go above 10,000. The way you are heading is many miles of bumps. An you won't be making much groundspeed at 14k.
but i am a wimp and have plenty of time


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Andrew on your first trip I would go the southern route. Not much longer and this time of year smoother with lots of places to take a rest stop. Have you considered KCCR Concord to base your plane. KCCR will have a full waas approach in August.


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Welcome to BT Andy! :D

Sounds like you're going to have a great trip!


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Welcome to BT Andrew. I also owned an F-33 for many years and it is still my favorite. NYC to Wyoming seems pretty challenging for the first leg but it's your call. The mountains can get a bit bumpy especially in the afternoon when you will be getting there. My personal opinion, is to land and rest then tackle the hills very early in the morning. I have done the southern route on several occasion but never the northern. It should be spectacular.


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Welcome Andrew!

Go for you being up for the challenge of bringing your bird cross country. :thumbup:

Three thoughts:

1. The scenery in the northern Rockies is spectacular beyond compare. You really do want to see it. But even experienced mountain pilots are lost there with saddening frequency.

2. The southern route is maybe not as breath taking, but still amazing. And Rocky is right, there are choices of routes that do not demand the very best of mountain flying experience. Two ideas would be Pueblo CO through to Farmington, NM or Amarillo, TX to Albuquerque.

3. Once you'll settled into your new CA digs, there are many good mountain flying instructors. Checking out the Sierras and Northern Rockies make for great weekend trips.


Really, we all just want to see you get there safely, which ever way you go.

Pic's or it didn't happen! :rock:


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Welcome to Beech Talk Andy, F33A's rock! :thumbup:

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Andrew -

Welcome to BT. I don't see a problem with your route. Following I-80 you will not need to go too high. Ogden is a good airport and a nice stop with good runway choices. With just you on board weight shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Winds in Wyoming can be a bit brutal - you may want to consider attacking it early in the morning. For the most part your route keeps you far enough North that you miss most of the really big mountains.

Most runways out West are long enough to accommodate you on high DA days.

There is a good airport in South Western Nebraska with a restaurant on field that might be a good option if you are looking to break up the trip (csn't think of the name now). I suspect your weather challenges will come in the WY CO NE & SD region - almost always there is something going on where the big weather systems converge.

Sounds like fun. Watch the weather - beware of afternoon thunderstorm activity and stay away from it at all costs. It is almost always clear and smooth in the mornings and evenings - weather tends to move quickly so be prepared to wait it out if you need to. Bring your O2 if you want to go high, but I think you could do it all in the 10-12 range - enjoy.

I just flew to the Bay Area last weekend and stayed at 8.5 & 10.5 except to bump over the Sierras for a few minutes - (Went to 16.5 on the trip home.) My route was basically down V21 to MLF then V222 into the Bay Area - no real tricks with some magnificent waterfalls in the Sierras. If you do decide to jog South through UT, Provo would be an option for a stop. I will warn you that fuel prices are high, but I have a car at the airport and you could camp out at my house if you wanted a place to overnight.

Another thing, there are some pretty vast MOAs and restricted areas that you will want to beware of and avoid.

Good Luck,

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I am a new member to BeechTalk. I own a '91 F33A. In June my family is moving from NYC to Kentfield, California. I will be flying my F33A out, and it will be my first trip across the country. I appreciate any tips, especially on take-out off and landings into high density altitude airports. My flight plan is basically V6 most of the way, and will try and make Cheyenne Wyoming or Scottsbluff Neb on the first day. Day 2 - fuel stops in Ogden UT and Sacramento Ca. For the near future I will be flying out of Gnoss Field in Marin County.

Andy


Andy,

I also live in NYC and think I recognize your tail number from HPN...which is where I do my GA flying. At any rate, welcome to BT. Great group of people here. I have done many coast to coast flights in small planes and like others have said, I think you are being a bit ambitious for your first day. Also, while you certainly can do the northern route in the summer, I highly suggest, for your first solo crossing such as this one, to take the southern route (unless you have a pressing need to do the northern route). Less mountains to deal with, etc. Regardless of what you end up doing, you will learn a lot...and have a blast while doing it. Let us know if you have any other specific questions.

PS - if you want to meet up in NYC for a beer or 3 to discuss this stuff before you go, let me know. There is another BT'er on here who works in finance as well who has an A36...and we often meet up in the city to "hangar fly." Might be fun to chat about the route, etc...especially since I don't think he's done it before yet either.

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